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<p>[QUOTE="Francisco G Kempton, post: 4305411, member: 22714"]Y@Ce Bca </p><p><br /></p><p>yes but who are we to argue with these people <img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":)" unselectable="on" /> I have been through the wars with collectors of these Chinese Satsuma and they have lots of links and back up information to the point where once or twice i have really questioned whether it might be true. As long as you stick to the script then it transitions into that little bubble they have created. The script being that this is from the artist Akira kokorzashi and is Gosu blue and the the gold is real gold. </p><p><br /></p><p>CAtawiki call it a spurious backmark and name. so they know it is fake, however there is such a following that they go ahead and sell it. </p><p><br /></p><p>Here is what your up against.....There is a very strong bubble built around a squiggly spurios backmark that many of the Chinese Royal Satsuma have and thus they are described as 19th century meiji satsuma by Akira Kokorozashi and so the OP's vase is therefore a meiji satsuma by Akira Kokorozashi. Just as a famille rose is a canton export, no matter if it is signed or not. Now by the end of this you will be wondering if there really is such an artist called Akira Kokorozashi to justify all the confusion... and I think it is just a symbol 志 which means “will”, “aspiration” or “ambition”. However no one seems to really know. </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.justanswer.com/antiques/be841-need-insurance-appraisal-help-identifying-maker-s-mon.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.justanswer.com/antiques/be841-need-insurance-appraisal-help-identifying-maker-s-mon.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.justanswer.com/antiques/be841-need-insurance-appraisal-help-identifying-maker-s-mon.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]349309[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/19775357-large-lotus-shaped-bowl-and-plate-with-spurious-chinese-mark-ming-zhi-japan-meiji-period-1868-1912" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/19775357-large-lotus-shaped-bowl-and-plate-with-spurious-chinese-mark-ming-zhi-japan-meiji-period-1868-1912" rel="nofollow">https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/19775357-large-lotus-shaped-bowl-and-plate-with-spurious-chinese-mark-ming-zhi-japan-meiji-period-1868-1912</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]349296[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]349297[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]349301[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.asianart.com/phpforum/index.php?method=detailAll&Id=96989" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.asianart.com/phpforum/index.php?method=detailAll&Id=96989" rel="nofollow">https://www.asianart.com/phpforum/index.php?method=detailAll&Id=96989</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]349298[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]349302[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]349299[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]349304[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Litaxuling kelly and many others have = has listed the backmark as Meiji.... This backmark is very common on Chinese royal satsuma. </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://litaxulingkelley.blogspot.com/p/japanese-porcelain-marks.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://litaxulingkelley.blogspot.com/p/japanese-porcelain-marks.html" rel="nofollow">http://litaxulingkelley.blogspot.com/p/japanese-porcelain-marks.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]349300[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.loveantiques.com/items/listings/large-19th-century-ming-zhi-akira-kokorozashi-vase-LA317431" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.loveantiques.com/items/listings/large-19th-century-ming-zhi-akira-kokorozashi-vase-LA317431" rel="nofollow">https://www.loveantiques.com/items/listings/large-19th-century-ming-zhi-akira-kokorozashi-vase-LA317431</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]349303[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124886510668?hash=item1d13d0ec4c:g:JgYAAOSwevRe473H" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124886510668?hash=item1d13d0ec4c:g:JgYAAOSwevRe473H" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124886510668?hash=item1d13d0ec4c:g:JgYAAOSwevRe473H</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333265735043?hash=item4d982f8d83:g:npIAAOSwa0VaEoEx" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333265735043?hash=item4d982f8d83:g:npIAAOSwa0VaEoEx" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333265735043?hash=item4d982f8d83:g:npIAAOSwa0VaEoEx</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133673945309" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133673945309" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133673945309</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Francisco G Kempton, post: 4305411, member: 22714"]Y@Ce Bca yes but who are we to argue with these people :) I have been through the wars with collectors of these Chinese Satsuma and they have lots of links and back up information to the point where once or twice i have really questioned whether it might be true. As long as you stick to the script then it transitions into that little bubble they have created. The script being that this is from the artist Akira kokorzashi and is Gosu blue and the the gold is real gold. CAtawiki call it a spurious backmark and name. so they know it is fake, however there is such a following that they go ahead and sell it. Here is what your up against.....There is a very strong bubble built around a squiggly spurios backmark that many of the Chinese Royal Satsuma have and thus they are described as 19th century meiji satsuma by Akira Kokorozashi and so the OP's vase is therefore a meiji satsuma by Akira Kokorozashi. Just as a famille rose is a canton export, no matter if it is signed or not. Now by the end of this you will be wondering if there really is such an artist called Akira Kokorozashi to justify all the confusion... and I think it is just a symbol 志 which means “will”, “aspiration” or “ambition”. However no one seems to really know. [URL]https://www.justanswer.com/antiques/be841-need-insurance-appraisal-help-identifying-maker-s-mon.html[/URL] [ATTACH=full]349309[/ATTACH] [URL]https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/19775357-large-lotus-shaped-bowl-and-plate-with-spurious-chinese-mark-ming-zhi-japan-meiji-period-1868-1912[/URL] [ATTACH=full]349296[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]349297[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]349301[/ATTACH] [URL]https://www.asianart.com/phpforum/index.php?method=detailAll&Id=96989[/URL] [ATTACH=full]349298[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]349302[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]349299[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]349304[/ATTACH] Litaxuling kelly and many others have = has listed the backmark as Meiji.... This backmark is very common on Chinese royal satsuma. [URL]http://litaxulingkelley.blogspot.com/p/japanese-porcelain-marks.html[/URL] [ATTACH=full]349300[/ATTACH] [URL]https://www.loveantiques.com/items/listings/large-19th-century-ming-zhi-akira-kokorozashi-vase-LA317431[/URL] [ATTACH=full]349303[/ATTACH] [URL]https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124886510668?hash=item1d13d0ec4c:g:JgYAAOSwevRe473H[/URL] [URL]https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333265735043?hash=item4d982f8d83:g:npIAAOSwa0VaEoEx[/URL] [URL]https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133673945309[/URL][/QUOTE]
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