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<p>[QUOTE="Bronwen, post: 1943199, member: 5833"]Only bother to read this if your contention is that some or all of the beads date to c. Imperial Roman era.</p><p><br /></p><p>Hope we're just quibbling over language. I inhabit a world in which 'modern' is applied to anything that dates post-Renaissance. Because of my interests, I see a fair bit of Roman glass & own a little. The title says 'ancient', so my expectations were for something quite different. These beads all look like they could have been made in my lifetime. I'm vintage, not yet antique. There's nothing fake about the beads. They are what they are & do not pretend to be anything else.</p><p><br /></p><p>There's a big jump between old looking & ancient. You're correct that the large beads have a resemblance to some Roman glass. This very short article explains that there was a concerted effort to rediscover the technique:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.glassofvenice.com/millefiori.php" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.glassofvenice.com/millefiori.php" rel="nofollow">https://www.glassofvenice.com/millefiori.php</a></p><p><br /></p><p>And this is a museum-certified example of what Roman millefiori work looks like:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/249733" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/249733" rel="nofollow">https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/249733</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/gr/original/sf17194497color.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>An excellent suggestion:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>But also do a search for millefiori beads on the market today so you can compare both.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's possible they were once used as trade beads, as proposed above.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>They were imported from Italy, not made in Africa, to the best of my knowledge. I used to spend a lot of time in a bead shop operated by someone who also had a gallery for ethnographic art. Picked up some knowledge from him about the trade beads he had among his wares. I remember many long heavy strands of stripy cane glass; can't recall any millefiori beads. My recollections do not count as evidence of anything.</p><p><br /></p><p>Conclusion of all this prolixity: I think 'vintage' definitely applies; 'antique' possibly applies; 'ancient' definitely does not apply.</p><p><br /></p><p>There is one bead that looks as if it has been kicking around for a while:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]245992[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I don't think we can assume all beads on the strand are the same age. They're a disparate bunch.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Bronwen, post: 1943199, member: 5833"]Only bother to read this if your contention is that some or all of the beads date to c. Imperial Roman era. Hope we're just quibbling over language. I inhabit a world in which 'modern' is applied to anything that dates post-Renaissance. Because of my interests, I see a fair bit of Roman glass & own a little. The title says 'ancient', so my expectations were for something quite different. These beads all look like they could have been made in my lifetime. I'm vintage, not yet antique. There's nothing fake about the beads. They are what they are & do not pretend to be anything else. There's a big jump between old looking & ancient. You're correct that the large beads have a resemblance to some Roman glass. This very short article explains that there was a concerted effort to rediscover the technique: [URL]https://www.glassofvenice.com/millefiori.php[/URL] And this is a museum-certified example of what Roman millefiori work looks like: [URL]https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/249733[/URL] [IMG]https://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/gr/original/sf17194497color.jpg[/IMG] An excellent suggestion: But also do a search for millefiori beads on the market today so you can compare both. It's possible they were once used as trade beads, as proposed above. They were imported from Italy, not made in Africa, to the best of my knowledge. I used to spend a lot of time in a bead shop operated by someone who also had a gallery for ethnographic art. Picked up some knowledge from him about the trade beads he had among his wares. I remember many long heavy strands of stripy cane glass; can't recall any millefiori beads. My recollections do not count as evidence of anything. Conclusion of all this prolixity: I think 'vintage' definitely applies; 'antique' possibly applies; 'ancient' definitely does not apply. There is one bead that looks as if it has been kicking around for a while: [ATTACH=full]245992[/ATTACH] I don't think we can assume all beads on the strand are the same age. They're a disparate bunch.[/QUOTE]
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