Featured An art nouveau or art deco pressed glass cicada night lamp shade.

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by kyratango, Aug 8, 2019.

  1. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Thank you for searching :happy:
    Agree! I don't believe it is a Daum piece either, and the mold mark isn't sign of a high end maker!
    It has age showing, it may have had a mark on the lamp base! A shame it is lacking now.
    A repro would have been made as a paperweight IMHO:rolleyes:
     
  2. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    LOL, I can hear the KSSSSS KSSSSS KSSSSS of them in my imagination now:woot::joyful:

    You should be the perfect owner of the republic allegory!;):kiss:
     
  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I am back there now, in my imagination. The scent of lavender from the roof terrace helps.:happy:
    :happy::kiss:
     
  4. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    for me it's a perfect allegory for Napoleon. a midget that makes too much noise. that's why he had it on his crest, maybe .
     
  5. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Sure, too much noisy critters!!!
    But for Napoleon, his emblem was an eagle, and bees were decorating lots of Empire stuff;)
     
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  6. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    nope. not bees, although he might have been beesy with Josefine.:hilarious:
     
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  7. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    :wideyed:
    https://www.napoleon-histoire.com/aigles-abeilles-la-symbolique-imperiale/
    From there, in French: (the actual bees were inspired by the cicadas figures found included in Chilperic's grave...)
    "Quant aux emblèmes destinés à remplacer les fleurs de lys, emblèmes du Royaume, que choisir qui permette d’en semer partout, sur le manteau du sacre, sur les ornements, les bâtons des nouveaux maréchaux ?

    On se rappelle alors la tombe de Chilpéric, père de Clovis, ouverte à Tournai sous Louis XIV, en 1653: elle va fournir l’idée des abeilles (en fait, les bijoux de la tombe renfermait des cigales). C’est un excellent symbole car elles représentent le travail collectif, l’obéissance absolue à leur souveraine, tout cela est d’un bon exemple. Atout supplémentaire : leur taille, semblable à celle des lys, permet de les utiliser comme ces derniers. Va pour les abeilles ! Elles vont être adoptées, sans décret régulier, et on en usera sur les ornements du Sacre, les manteaux de cérémonie, les tapis, les tentures des palais, les bords des drapeaux, dans les armes octroyées aux bonnes villes, ou elles se substituent aisément aux lys, et dans les armoiries de la nouvelle noblesse !"

    Translation:

    "As for the emblems intended to replace the fleurs-de-lys, emblems of the Kingdom, what to choose which allows to sow everywhere, on the mantle of the coronation, on the ornaments, the sticks of the new marshals?

    We then remember the tomb of Chilperic, father of Clovis, opened in Tournai under Louis XIV, in 1653: it will provide the idea of bees (in fact, the jewelry of the tomb contained cicadas). It is an excellent symbol because they represent the collective work, the absolute obedience to their sovereign, all this is a good example. Additional asset: their size, similar to that of the lilies, allows to use them like these. Go for the bees! They will be adopted, without a regular decree, and they will be used on the ornaments of the coronation, the ceremonial mantles, the carpets, the hangings of the palaces, the edges of the flags, in the arms granted to the good cities, or they easily replace to the lilies, and in the coat of arms of the new nobility!"
    :)
     
  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Absolutely bees.
    They were based on the ca 300 gold insects found in the grave of Merovingian king Childeric. At the time the insects were found, they were identified as bees. The reference to the 5th century king was intended to give Napoleon's regal aspirations more stature. And he didn't want to use the fleur-de-lys.

    However, Childeric's insects, originally thought of as bees, could have been a number of other insects. Some think they could have been cicadas.
    Unfortunately much of the Childeric treasure was stolen after Napoleon's time, and melted for the gold. Only two of the bees(?) survived.
    Childeric's insects:
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    Napoleon's bees were definitely bees. A bee from Napoleon's coronation robe:
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Ah, kyra, it seems we were typing at the same time.:hilarious:
    The Merovingian king's name was Childeric though, not Chilperic, as the article says.;) -deric is a much used suffix in Germanic names. The Franks were Germanic.:)
     
  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The two remaining Childeric insects look like flies to me, but wdik.:confused:
     
  11. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Sure, cross posting!:)
    I bow in front of you:sorry:
    I must say I'm rather weak in Childerics/Chilperics :facepalm::hilarious:

    Thanks for the Childeric's winged insects image!

    I don't see them as cicadas neither as bees... FLIES!:cyclops:
    [​IMG]
     
  12. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Again! Cross posting! Great spirits... Etc, etc...!
     
  13. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Exactly, royal flies.:playful:
     
  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    We must stop cross posting like this, what will people think.:D
     
  15. Christmasjoy

    Christmasjoy Well-Known Member

    I'm enjoying it !!! :) .. the history is fabulous, I had no idea that these tiny gold covered insects were sewn on robes or placed in tombs, now I know !!! :):):) Thank you. Joy.
     
  16. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

  17. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

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  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I think what is relevant when it comes to Napoleon, is what he though they were. Not what anyone else thought they might be, flies, cicadas, dragonflies, or whatever.
    Remember, he didn't use Childeric's very insects, but his perception of them.
    This image from his robe shows what he thought them to be:

    [​IMG]
     
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  19. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    We really must stop cross-posting.:facepalm:

    I think cicadas is just another interpretation btw. Not very likely given the location of Childeric's country, the southern Low Countries and northern France. Not known as cicada country. Crickets, yes, but cicadas?
     
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  20. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    :bucktooth:
    Indeed, Napoleon was known for bee-ing very bee-zy!:rolleyes::joyful:
     
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