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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Northern Lights Lodge, post: 1567009, member: 13464&quot;]Continuing: #6. If we take a look at the &quot;selvages comparison&quot; photo... the box in blue addresses the &quot;appearance&quot; of a selvage edge (of the grape and vine lace) being sewn &quot;on top&quot; of the linen buffer (is it?)... where as, the small arrows in black clearly point out that the heart and crown lace are truly sewn on using a selvage edge.</p><p><br /></p><p>#7. The corner... I was happy to see that the tiny outer edge of the scallops actually DO look like a bobbin technique called a &quot;winkie&quot; edge (clearly visable in the &quot;torchon lace selvage edge photo&quot; in the previous post).</p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, it does seem to have a very heavily starched ironed look to get those gathers to lay relatively flat. </p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;m truly perplexed about my observations.&nbsp; I still can&#039;t dispute nor totally agree with what the seller said; however; IF the grape and vine lace is made using a single piece of fabric and it is needle pulled and drawn... then where are the &quot;ends&quot;.&nbsp; If the buffer linen is actually is where the lace ends and the threads re-assume their role as linen - then it &quot;should&quot; be more seamless. It shouldn&#039;t look like it is sewn on.</p><p><br /></p><p>Comparatively speaking - IF the grape and vine lace is made using needle technique; where as, all the grid work is made using all new threads (not a base fabric); it would therefore be made in an &quot;exact size&quot; and it would be necessary to actually sew the lace on to the fabric.</p><p><br /></p><p>I found this very early reference to another type of lace (refer to image 1415 - sorry it isn&#039;t very clear or close up) called &quot;grappo&quot;. I&#039;ve personally never seen it or heard of it; but it may seem to fit several of our criteria: It is &quot;self contained&quot; (meaning it isn&#039;t reliant on a base fabric); it was used in ecclesaistical goods; and it has very sturdy grid work as seen in the query piece. I&#039;m not suggesting that it IS grappo; I simply don&#039;t know enough about it. In addition to the fact that in the grappo photo the bars run diagonally; in opposition to our query piece, in which the bars run horizontally and vertically.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>But what I am suggesting; is that in early laces, people were being very creative and utilizing what they DID know in terms of sewing and embroidery to create openwork that we now call lace. Therefore it is sometimes very hard to slot some form into any specific label. It may pick up one element from one technique and another element from another technique or form.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do believe you have a very old piece...and it IS very interesting! It has been fun to research and ponder. Lace is truly a very interesting art. It has a very long history. Much of what was known; was never written down as it was regarded as &quot;trade secrets&quot; from one country to another. Yes, some pieces took untold hours to create; sometimes utilizing entire communities or generations of lacemakers working on a single piece. I&#039;ve been interested in lace making since I was a youngster... and have studied and made many forms since. I still have much to learn!</p><p><br /></p><p>Enjoy and ponder how it was made - use a magnifying glass&nbsp; front and back to compare what you see. The more you get to &quot;know&quot; a piece; the more it will reveal itself to you!&nbsp; Thanks so much for sharing your lovely piece with us! </p><p><br /></p><p>Leslie[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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