Africa - Antiques Original

Discussion in 'Introductions' started by reboot, May 18, 2016.

  1. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    I agree.

    You must give the dimensions. You must post a photo of the underside.

    Your bust is made of brass.
     
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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    was the tomb made around 1913 ?
     
  3. reboot

    reboot New Member

    Length of 29 cm and a width of about 12 cm
    From the bottom drops pierced them the remains of Black did not end
     
    Last edited: May 20, 2016
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  4. springfld.arsenal

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    Why of course.
     
  5. reboot

    reboot New Member

    I did not understand you
     
  6. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    There may be a language or translation problem; I regret that.
    But there can be no doubt that your item is based on the Berlin Nefertiti, which came to light in 1912.
    I hate to say that your friend is misleading you; but even friends can be mistaken, or untruthful. And when dealing with items that are supposed to be antique, one should have an open mind, and be willing to look at the evidence. One then should decide what is most likely, and what is improbable. Please look at the link to the souvenir items based on the Berlin Nefertiti and decide which is most likely:
    there are two possibilities:
    1) Your friend is misleading you by trying to claim that a souvenir-quality reproduction is a genuine antique, when all the evidence shows it cannot be older than 1912, and is likely no older that 1930, and probably 1980-1990 or even 2016.
    2) Or, your item is a real Sumerian antique. To believe that you must understand that the Sumerian culture had pretty much faded away by 1700 BCE; yet Nefertiti was an Egyptian and the original of this sculpture was made around 1350 BCE. So in order to be Sumerian you would have to believe that the Sumerians had invented time-travel, gone forward in time, seen Nefertiti, then returned to their own time to make a copy of the work of the Egyptian sculptor Thutmose.
    Even without time-travel, you would have to assume trade between Sumeria and Egypt, and ignore the dates... and ignore the fact that this item is Egyptian in style, and not Sumerian.
    Which seems more likely to you?
     
  7. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Now take a big breath !!!;)
     
  8. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    :angelic:

    Just in case not a legpuller.
    It would be bad to be asked to sell this for a friend, if true.
    It would be very bad to agree.
    I'm not placing any bets.
     
  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Hard to say.....well spoken and gibberish mixed together...
     
  10. springfld.arsenal

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    Reboot's brass bust isn't Nefertiti as I'm sure many of you know. Nef had a beautiful face that was medically "normal" but the bust has a very prominent cleft lip. Bust is ugly, Nef was pretty- and I could go on.
     
  11. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Go on....I can't find a headdress with a snake flanked by falcons....so there !!!:wideyed:
     
  12. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    Just to clarify, Reboot says in Post #2 that the item is in Algeria. In Post #11 he rejects the connection with Egypt, claiming his item is from an African civilization called "Sommarah," (which doesn't exist, unless it is a misspelling of "Sumarian," as Komokwa guessed in Post #14 might be the case.)

    In post #16 the statement "Sumerian civilization 2,000 years ago, and this is found in the pre-farming area" isn't clear, and makes no sense. Is Reboot agreeing that it is Sumerian now, even though he claimed it is African before? Or is he still claiming it was found in a "tomb" in Africa?

    Did he ever say where it was actually found? In Algeria? Somewhere else in Africa? Where exactly was this so-called "Sommarah" culture supposedly located? "The pre-farming area" doesn't indicate where this came from at all, since about every place on earth was a "pre-farming" area at one time.

    My guess is that he is disagreeing with the idea that it is Sumerian, since he claims it is African, and therefore should be aware that the Sumerian civilization was in southern Mesopotamia (now Kuwait and Iraq), which is a long way from Africa.

    This might just be a language problem, as suggested. In any case, until that can be solved, or Reboot can accept the fact that All_fakes has already correctly identified the item and given proof, I think we've given all the help that can be expected. It's a poor copy of one of the most-recognizable and famous sculptures of all time.
     
  13. springfld.arsenal

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  14. reboot

    reboot New Member

    I just said it Sumerian civilization of history I do not know I just I want to help to know the truth that was original or not, although the original I want I want I beg omitted assistant Is there a solution that I know that was the original or a way I do not want to know about it
     
  15. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Do you speak French. It might be easier to understand than your English. I do not know if there is anyone here who can read Arabic fluently but French should be easier.
     
  16. reboot

    reboot New Member

    Je veux aider si elles étaient authentiques, et comment puis-je savoir que cela était l'original, je veux vendre
     
  17. lauragarnet

    lauragarnet Well-Known Member

    Google translation:
    I want to help if it were authentic , and how do I know that this was the original, I want to sell

    It is an authentic brass replica of the famous Egyptian Queen Nefertiti bust. A souvenir or decor item. Length of 29 cm (11.4173 inches) and a width of about 12 cm (4.72441 inches).

    Ruedi had similar, old Nefertiti bust about 30 years ago that he sold for 400 (dollars?)
    @reboot Please show a picture of the bottom.
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2016
  18. springfld.arsenal

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    Reboot-here's the essential info, in my opinion. One may argue all year regarding the age of the item, with no conclusion.

    I've been somewhat successful in judging the value of items. My opinion is that the item you have shown us may sell at a price of 20 Euros or less if it sells at all, depending on your shipping terms. The buyer if any will almost certainly be outside of Algeria.

    You should identify the item in the heading of your advertisement as "Very Rare Nefertiti bust with Cleft Lip." This allows Nefertiti and Egyptania collectors to find it quickly.
     
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  19. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    as an oddity , it may fetch well over 20 euros......imo.
     
  20. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    Fine but would be more helpful if more specific info was provided. I think if listed on EBay starting at 20, all it will do is earn relisting fees for eBay for as long as it is offered. But doing that will answer Reboot's question regarding valuation.

    I think the buyer would be one of those collectors who is after all things Nefertiti, if there is such a collector. I've met some similar, mostly 40+ females for some reason. They aren't too concerned with the quality of an item but more with how many they can cram into their modest homes, so they aren't willing to pay much for a single item. One Statue of Liberty collector I knew in the Midwest had over 1000 pieces and wanted more, even though there was no more space in the home for anything.
     
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