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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;mhc4444, post: 107649, member: 1469&quot;]well that makes a bit more sense when you think about how 2 towers are only on very old plate <img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":)" unselectable="on" /> maybe the torch mark are then the reason you say its usually on a white body? because i dont think i have seen any torch marked fatware where i can see the brass underneath -&gt; because there arent any[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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