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<p>[QUOTE="Bronwen, post: 429525, member: 5833"]A cautionary tale about auction houses and misinformation. Just a couple of weeks ago I was made aware of a cameo coming up for auction by a firm that pride themselves on their expertise in antiquities and, unlike most others, allow returns if an item is not as described. An attractive, monochromatic hardstone piece in high relief, simply set, from an East Coast collection, Victorian, opening at around $2,000. The person who wrote to me about it did so because he knew what I could also immediately see: the cameo was by someone working now, and style of the setting indicated it was work from the last few years.</p><p><br /></p><p>Concerned that the piece would slip onto the engraved gem market & be accepted as Victorian forever more, I wrote them, politely asked how they had determined it to be Victorian, including several links to sites where they could compare it to the modern work, & suggesting they might want to reassess.</p><p><br /></p><p>Their acknowledgement said they would look into it, but piece had been consigned by a highly (that word again) reputable collector. Next message thanked me for the information, indicated they were sending it back to the reputable collector, and the lot was withdrawn.</p><p><br /></p><p>I was relieved. Auction houses are not always (maybe should say 'rarely') receptive to evidence that contradicts their description of something. Sotheby's did not want to hear it when someone I know who had spotted the discrepancy informed them a cameo they were offering, conspicuously signed on the front by a famous name, was blank shell in the same area when it had been auctioned by a lesser house just a few months before. They preferred to take the position that previous consignor, the auctioneers & their photographer had all failed to notice the deeply engraved 7-letter name, even though the other auctioneer had noticed the much fainter marks on the back, which Sotheby's did not mention.</p><p><br /></p><p>Before:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]150407[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>And after:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]150408[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The forged signature is not even a very good match to other specimens, but there will now be no talking anyone out of the belief they have a genuine Saulini because, after all, the mighty Sotheby's said it was.</p><p><br /></p><p>Auction house experts. Bah! Humbug![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Bronwen, post: 429525, member: 5833"]A cautionary tale about auction houses and misinformation. Just a couple of weeks ago I was made aware of a cameo coming up for auction by a firm that pride themselves on their expertise in antiquities and, unlike most others, allow returns if an item is not as described. An attractive, monochromatic hardstone piece in high relief, simply set, from an East Coast collection, Victorian, opening at around $2,000. The person who wrote to me about it did so because he knew what I could also immediately see: the cameo was by someone working now, and style of the setting indicated it was work from the last few years. Concerned that the piece would slip onto the engraved gem market & be accepted as Victorian forever more, I wrote them, politely asked how they had determined it to be Victorian, including several links to sites where they could compare it to the modern work, & suggesting they might want to reassess. Their acknowledgement said they would look into it, but piece had been consigned by a highly (that word again) reputable collector. Next message thanked me for the information, indicated they were sending it back to the reputable collector, and the lot was withdrawn. I was relieved. Auction houses are not always (maybe should say 'rarely') receptive to evidence that contradicts their description of something. Sotheby's did not want to hear it when someone I know who had spotted the discrepancy informed them a cameo they were offering, conspicuously signed on the front by a famous name, was blank shell in the same area when it had been auctioned by a lesser house just a few months before. They preferred to take the position that previous consignor, the auctioneers & their photographer had all failed to notice the deeply engraved 7-letter name, even though the other auctioneer had noticed the much fainter marks on the back, which Sotheby's did not mention. Before: [ATTACH=full]150407[/ATTACH] And after: [ATTACH=full]150408[/ATTACH] The forged signature is not even a very good match to other specimens, but there will now be no talking anyone out of the belief they have a genuine Saulini because, after all, the mighty Sotheby's said it was. Auction house experts. Bah! Humbug![/QUOTE]
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