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Discussion in 'Furniture' started by Gatoblanconz, Dec 21, 2021.

  1. Gatoblanconz

    Gatoblanconz Well-Known Member

    I can't quite work it out because the pink upholstery kind of looks 1950's to me but then the underside of it the black dust cover part seems quite new and then visible through the hole is some light coloured pine looking timber.
    But the gilded timber looks like it's a bit on the older side and particularly the way it's worn.
    Maybe it was reupholstered?
    Any ideas?
    Also what style would you class this as reproducing?

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  2. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Looks like a pine 2x4' repair inside front.
    I would call it a Sheraton settee, not sure if it's a remake from the 1950s or not.
     
  3. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    That neon pink is more 1980s.

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  4. Gatoblanconz

    Gatoblanconz Well-Known Member

    That timeframe would match the light timber inside.
    But it just feels older on the outside.
     
  5. Gatoblanconz

    Gatoblanconz Well-Known Member

    I have no reason behind saying 50s just completely wild guess
     
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  6. wiscbirddog

    wiscbirddog Well-Known Member

    Mamie Eisenhower was behind the pink trend in the 50s, but it wasn't neon pink.
     
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  7. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

  8. Gatoblanconz

    Gatoblanconz Well-Known Member

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  9. Francisco G Kempton

    Francisco G Kempton Well-Known Member

    I would say it is very much a Louis xvi style sofa. Following on from the Louis XV style from the roccco period, the most obvious change from rocco period to new classical in furniture was the cabriole leg in the louis xv furniture to the Neo classical straight leg on the louis XVI furniture with linear carvings. This is also an instant distinction.

    French empire followed soon after and was more like regency with those roman/greco designs, but certainly this sofa is based on the Louis XVI style of neo classicism.

    It might be but is unlikley to be an origional louis xvi, I have not had time to scrutinise it, and as this style was revived and quite popular in both the 19th century and the 1920, with many produced during the early 20th century. It was also popular several times during the 20th century. The earlier 20th century revival copies were quite good quality. So it is always a wonder to pin point the date. In my head i alwasy work from early 20th century right up to late 20th century wiht some excitment that it just might be earlier.

    So that is what this, a 20th century or later revival of Louis XVI sofa. They were also produced heavily in the late 20th century. The better the quality then the better the chance of it being an earlier revival.

    The early 20th century sell for top dollar.
     
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  10. Francisco G Kempton

    Francisco G Kempton Well-Known Member

    I think that is a good guess :)
     
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  11. Fern77

    Fern77 Well-Known Member

    The settee itself is probably from the 1920s to 50s, and the pink velvet could very well be from the 80s (Alana Myles advocated differently by the end of the decade), but the pseudo fabric covering the underside is much newer than that. Hessian was used originally, and judging by the kind of work they did to the upholstery (horrible color notwithstanding), when they redone it they would have used something better. Glueblock was added to strengthen the frame, and there is nothing wrong there.
     
  12. pearlsnblume

    pearlsnblume Well-Known Member

    Why did she cut her bangs so short???
     
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  13. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It was fashionable at the time. Not flattering at all. I think it makes women look stupid, maybe that was intentional.:rolleyes:
     
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  14. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Mamie's hair cut was called the page boy. As above, fashionable at the time. Here it is on Jane Wyman, Ronald Reagan's first wife.

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  15. pearlsnblume

    pearlsnblume Well-Known Member

    When I go to get my bangs cut, the fella that does it always makes a joke that I shouldn't cut them too short or I will look like her. LOL
     
  16. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    If you are talking about the wood that is this piece (and not the sistered up 2x4), there's not enough of it showing to make a competent determination about anything. It could have been made in the 1950s as an earlier style.

    Agree with Debora that hot pink is not the right color for the 1950s to have been original fabric, but it appears to be a recover job in that hot pink.

    The top design of the wooden bow is the one I can see best and it looks older than the 1950s to me...
     
  17. Francisco G Kempton

    Francisco G Kempton Well-Known Member

    It does have a good level of quality inthe woodwork that makes it a candidate for 1920's but it might be a higher quality but later 20th century. It is a candidate for 1920. The 2x 4 wood might have been fitted at a later time to accomodate a new upholstery. So who can say, you really need to have a good look inside with a torch if you can. See what the main wood used is or was and is it beech perhaps.
     
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  18. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    I agree, Francisco, I just said same 1920s date on his thread with a plant stand!
     
  19. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    I suspect the front design or front of the frame has been damaged and may be cracked for that 2x4 to have been sistered up there like that. There appears to be rub scuff damage on the black fabric too...
     
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  20. Francisco G Kempton

    Francisco G Kempton Well-Known Member

    The ornate wood on your sofa, is it Gilt Gesso? that is the designs are shaped from a type of plaster. It can be earlier if it is a proper layering of gilt gesso.

    Can you see hints of the red bole clay under the gilt or in the plaster. Is the carving of the wood under the plaster of good quality. Then if so this is at the very least a good quality repro or more likely a 1920 repro, possibly a 19th century or earlier. The gilt gesso gets you into the Antique. I have no idea how common gilt gesso was in the mid century, but i doubt they used it much in the late 20th century. It was used alot in the 19th century.

    Gesso is a type of plaster that is prepared of finely ground chalk that was applied onto the wooden surface in a series of layers—at least fifteen layers were needed to achieve the desired thickness. Once dried, the craftsmen could cut into the new surface to create different designs. When the designs were complete, the gilding could be applied. To gild the surface, a red clay ground, known as bole, would be spread onto the surface to prepare for the laying of the gold leaf
     
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