What date is this old wine glass?

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by rhiwfield, Oct 15, 2016.

  1. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    Picked up one or two pieces of old glass at auction recently.

    Is this one 18th century or later?

    Height 5.1 inch

    Rim diameter 1.9 inches, bucket shape bowl

    Base diameter 2.6 inches so bowl looks very undersized by modern standards

    Pontil scar to underside of base.

    Cheers!

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  2. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Given rhe shape, knopped stem and turned foot, C.1800, possibly,
     
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  3. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice

    I once owned some nearly the same, just a bit more trumpet in the bowl and without the cutting. The auction house "verified" them as Georgian when I sold them.

    Just a question for my edification (not to be argumentative), when did they start doing what appears to me to be wheel cutting on glassware? I (think) know that actual engraving on glass goes way back, but I am thinking about wheel cutting in this instance.


    All I KNOW about glass is that it breaks when I handle it, so............
     
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  4. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Another clue to the age - and I agree with af - is that the glass may look greyish against later pieces.

    Wheel cutting is early 18th C at least.
     
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  5. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice

    Heel hartelijk bedankt!

    I just keep learning here...................
     
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  6. Cherryhill

    Cherryhill Well-Known Member

    Copper wheel engraving dates to the 17th century (1600s) at least. Using an abrasive wheel, rather than a copper wheel, which this may or may not be, dates to the early 20th century, ca 1915 or later.
     
  7. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice


    oooooooooooh, more knowledge to stuff away in my ever expanding filing cabinet of a brain.

    And I had a thought that the process was fairly old - it was either Washington or Jefferson who had their wine glasses marked with their arms..........

    Thanks!
     
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  8. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    FWIW my only glass book (Sandon, Antique Glass) says the Romans discovered wheel cutting, engraving and enamelling!!
     
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  9. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Sandon is a decent book, but a tad out of date. The Egyptians did enamelling. Roman glass is pretty damn fine though - google on how the Portland vase has been remade and you'll see what I mean.
     
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  10. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice


    Okay, I have moved that bit of knowledge into the correct filing folder of my brain............of course I will NOT be able to locate it when I want it, but I did file it properly............

    Thanks!
     
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