What are these

Discussion in 'Textiles, Needle Arts, Clothing' started by daveydempsey, Sep 24, 2016.

  1. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    I found these 3 pieces at the bottom of an Ottoman among lots of lace, from the hoarders home

    They appear Oriental, only 40 inch square, far to small for table cloths and the patterns are only halfway and then like a mirror image on the other half.
    Very glossy/silky material all with tufting around the edges.
    To me they appear good quality and I would say more than 50 years old. BWDIK

    I`ve taken 3 photo`s of each one.
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    .2
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    .3
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  2. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice

    My first reaction is tea cloths (small tea table), due to the mirrored patterns (I have some some place). But that size is also common for lady's scarves (used as an accessory as opposed to a cold weather item). Can't determine it the fabric is too thick for that.
     
  3. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    NICE......your close up pictures tend to make me think too thick for silk, BWDIK too!!!!! Either/Or what Mansons said?????
     
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  4. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Shawls.
    Either for wearing.
    Or there were also Piano Shawls for the top of upright pianos. Folded to make a triangle with the point draped down toward the keys.
     
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  5. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice


    I am not discounting either possibility, but 40" square is a bit small for a shawl, and when folded triangularly the pattern would not be oriented "correctly". And I would expect longer fringe on a piano scarf. But then again, life seldom lives up to my expectations!
     
  6. bobsyouruncle

    bobsyouruncle Well-Known Member

    ??? I realize the swaz was used many many years in all countries but would this be German Japanese alliance type of thing?
     
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  7. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Due to the way each pattern is oriented and the frayed edges all around, I'd think they were each once one side of a pillow.
     
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  8. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice

    I thought pillow at first as well (self fringe got me there at first), but re-thinked it when I considered the size - 40" square pillow? most i have seen were closer to about 60cm. And again, I have that orientation issue with the pattern. The orientation of the swastika is all wrong for the regime. Theirs was oriented on a corner and open on the right, not on the left such as these.

    its a puzzler, sur'nuff..............
     
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  9. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    I have sewn pillows 40" large back in my younger years of sewing. They were great for tossing on the floor when I didn't have enough seating room.
     
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  10. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice

    But I can hardly see anyone creating "floor space seating" for early 20th century guests................unless you were a crass bohemian! :wideyed:
     
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  11. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    I like the idea of tea cloths (small tea table)

    The material thread is very fine yet the thickness of the completed item is too thick and heavy for clothing.
    They feel quite stiff, they don`t appear to have been used.
    I will try and take close ups of the weave and see if anything can be determined by it.
    My daughter in law is a wedding dress designer and seamstress, if I can catch her home I might show her them.
     
  12. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    I contacted my daughter in law and she said she will be able to identify the material and probably date it too.
    So I will be visiting tomorrow.
    I think the use of this swastika was from more innocent times before WWII.
    Here are 5 more pics, the last 3 are X20

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    s1.jpg

    s2.jpg

    s4.jpg
     
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  13. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Great close-up shots! We await her verdict!
     
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  14. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    She might not know what they were for though :D
     
  15. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    silk can be thin or thick..
     
  16. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Are they printed? Woven? Embroidered?
     
  17. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Yes :rolleyes:
     
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  18. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    Pull a few of those loose threads then burn them . If they smell like burning hair,they are silk .
     
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  19. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Because of the bands of color on the backs, I would guess that both are machine woven tapestry. They might be covers for wooden boxes or chests - tea, calligraphy, treasure - like that.
     
  20. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    The technical term is hangs-around collects-dust or hangs-around looks-cute. Depending on who you ask. I suspect they were for decoration and didn't have a practical use.
     
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