Vintage plastic bangle with wire turning blue. Why is that?

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by Vic23, Mar 10, 2021.

  1. Vic23

    Vic23 Member

    Hi Everyone!

    I recently bought this nice bangle, but only when I got home I noticed that in some areas the wire has some blueish dust around it. Does anyone know why that is?
    Also, I suspect this is a bangle from the 80s? Do you think Im right?
    Have a nice day!

    Vic
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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    nice ivory bracelet.....i'd think human skin oils affected the metal..
     
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  3. Vic23

    Vic23 Member

    Thank you! Is there something I need to do with it? Do you also think its from the 80s?
     
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  4. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    The wire might be copper or brass or an alloy of either, blue or green dust is a sign of verdigris.
     
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  5. Ce BCA

    Ce BCA Well-Known Member

    As Dave said above, the green is copper oxide, so the wire is probably brass. You can clean it with metal polish or abrasive tips (like a dremmel) *BUT* these may affect/stain or damage the bracelet so you need to go careful. Try a small area with a cotton bud first in an area you wont see.
     
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  6. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Verdigris... Vinegar on a Qtip and dab the affected areas, shoudn't harm the ivory, repeat, rub with the Qtip till it disappear, then rinse and dry thoroughly.
     
  7. Vic23

    Vic23 Member

    Thank you so much! Ill try to do this tomorrow.
     
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  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Ditto.
    It is a beautiful bangle. You're right on the date, 1980s.
    I think you bought it for yourself, but if you ever want to sell it, you could only do so privately. It was made after 1947, which means made after the CITES ban on ivory.
     
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  9. Vic23

    Vic23 Member

    Thanks! Yes, I bought this for myself. But... I think this is made of plastic. Just the color is ivory.
     
  10. Ce BCA

    Ce BCA Well-Known Member

    I doubt it's ivory though, more likely cassein plastic or galalith, in which case vinegar may not be ideal.
     
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  11. Vic23

    Vic23 Member

    Is it possible to confuse these two materials???
     
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  12. Ce BCA

    Ce BCA Well-Known Member

    Cassein based plastics were made to simulate ivory, there are also other simulants such as epoxies, phenolics and bakelite type compounds. They can all look like ivory in a picture, but you can tell the difference when handling.
     
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  13. Vic23

    Vic23 Member

    Ok, thanks for the answer! Yes, it is plastic, not sure which kind, but it doesn't look or feel like ivory in real life.
     
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  14. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I'd soak it in white vinegar.
     
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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Galalith is a casein plastic.;)
    Not really, it was developed for objects that were never made from ivory, such as whiteboards. But casein based plastics did turn out to be the most beautiful early plastic for jewellery, and the old pieces are still valued as such.
    I have never heard of the material being used for 80s jewellery though, it was mostly used in the Art Deco period.

    Maybe you were thinking of celluloid? Celluloid was used mostly to imitate natural materials such as ivory and tortoiseshell, although it certainly came in other colours too.
    Celluloid ivory, called ivorine or French ivory, has alternating even bands of ivory colour and an almost translucent darker shade.
     
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  16. Ce BCA

    Ce BCA Well-Known Member

    I think Isadora used it in the late 70's and 80's and as far as I recall there was a bit of a revival around that time in the UK (my sister used to be into that kind of item in the early 80's). It was variously called Galalith, milk plastic or casein plastic, of course the names may not have reflected the reality as it does look pretty much like celluloid ivory and my memory of that period is hazy. Is there an easy test between the two?
     
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  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Rub your thumb over it until it gets warm. If it smells of (spoilt) milk, it is galalith or a similar casein plastic.
    Some people are able to smell a camphor odour when they warm celluloid. I have never been able to smell that.
    Other than that, visual. If it is an ivory lookalike that has those alternating even bands I mentioned before, it is celluloid.

    But casein based plastics are always the most beautiful, with a very rich, deep colour.
     
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  18. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Never use an acid like vineger.

    When removing verdigris a soak in Virgin Olive Oil.

    I have used olive oil for years on copper coins that have been buried for centuries.

    It does not eat into the metal or cause anymore corrosion.
     
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  19. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    OK, then....maybe not ivory.........can we get close ups ??
     
  20. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I always use my favourite, rice bran oil. It is nice and thin, which is perfect for jewellery. I also use it on coral if it is dried out and it gets that white calcium haze.
     
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