Featured Vase with a gilded satsuma(?) mark I can't I.D.

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Miscstuff, May 28, 2018.

  1. Miscstuff

    Miscstuff Sometimesgetsitright

    Think it's satsuma but not absolutely sure as I scanned gotheborg
    and either missed the mark twice or it wasn't there. The mark is gilded but
    appears as black out line in the photos. There is also some text below
    that is some thing like “???MA” or “WA” and under that “???AN”
    which is probably “JAPAN”. Thought the MA might have been
    part of “made in Japan” but it seems to be offset too much for that.
    Shame about the crazing as it is a nice vase.
    Can anyone pick it??
    Data
    32.4cm High 2.24Kg

    Cheers
    Stephen

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  2. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    You think it could be intentional crazing?
     
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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    it looks intentional to me, and is often seen on Satsuma and other Japanese ceramics. I like it.
     
  4. Miscstuff

    Miscstuff Sometimesgetsitright

    Don't think so. It varies quite a bit and there are wear patterns on the gilding and surface that suggest quite a few years. Most of the similar gilded satsuma marks seem to suggest 1890-1910 era but it is early days for this ones I.D.
    Cheers
    Stephen
     
  5. Miscstuff

    Miscstuff Sometimesgetsitright

    Then again the more I look at it I think I could be wrong:confused:
     
  6. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    The colors and especially the iris say 1980s to me ?
     
  7. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I was thinking along the same lines, only I was in the late 1970s
     
  8. dgbjwc

    dgbjwc Well-Known Member

    About the only thing I can add is that I wouldn't use the color of the mark as a guide to age. The wisteria is certainly a traditional element but I can't say I've ever seen a duck on an 1890's era piece. And as johnny noted the iris looks like a newer element. I also think the quality of the painting is a bit lacking. I have had limited exposure though.
    Don
     
  9. vintagefox

    vintagefox Member

    I don't know much about Japanese potteries, but I can read Japanese. The mark says "Moriyama", and it is definitely a Japanese name. I checked Japanese google and found expired listings of Meiji period (1868 - 1912) Satsuma pieces made by Moriyama. Since Japanese pottery studios are often passed over generations, Moriyama may not mean one artist. I wish I could compare your vase to those listings, but no photo was available.

    The shape of the vase is not traditional Japanese style. From Meiji period to mid century, many Western style potteries, such as this one, were made for export purpose. I think this is one of them. Definitely not from 80's.
     
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  10. Miscstuff

    Miscstuff Sometimesgetsitright

    The plot thickens. I've just found this possibility. Could it be Choshuzan??
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  11. vintagefox

    vintagefox Member

    They are totally different names sharing only one common character.
     
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  12. Miscstuff

    Miscstuff Sometimesgetsitright

    Thanks for that. Good to know we have a new member who reads Japanese. You are going to get an awful lot of new friends - quickly:happy::happy::happy::happy::happy:.
    Cheers
    Stephen
     
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  13. vintagefox

    vintagefox Member

    Happy to help whenever I can :)
     
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