Van Briggle Philodendron Leaf or Not?

I found this little pot with what *may* be real Van Briggle marks at a "downsizing" sale today. I've looked the marks up in Lehner's and Fake and Forged Marks (both of which are in my reference library) and I'm still not certain, although it doesn't have any of the particular things to be leery of that Chervenka mentions. Lehner does not show a mark with Van Briggle and Colo. Spgs in script except with the inclusion of Anna, which this one does not have. It also has a capital T bottom center, which (from other things I have seen) could be the decorator's mark, but I have not seen a T identified and confirmed.

The fellow I bought it from told me he had owned it "a long time" and that he had bought it at a yard sale in San Francisco. It was only $25 so it won't be the end of the world, but that's more than I would normally spend on pottery. And of course, I'm not planning on selling it anyway. But it would be nice to know.

I browsed through a bunch of ebay listings and saw several in this shape called "Philodendron Leaf with cutouts." I have no idea whether that's an official name or if they made it up.





NOTE: The underside has a bit of a yellow cast to it in the center where it has some glue residue from felt feet that have been removed. The clay that was not covered by the feet (around the edge) is white and unglazed. I've already gotten the sticky bits clean for the most part and some even older residue has been flaking off in that process.

Thoughts?

 

I wish I could help with this... I do think the colors in the glaze are lovely, whether real or repro.

 

I agree, Fig!

Messilane mentioned on the Finds thread that she has "one just like it" that she bought at the pottery in the late 80's, but since I had not posted the marks pic, she did not comment further. I'm hoping she'll post here when she has a chance.

 

Nothing looks unusual to me. Seen many similar marks.

 

Thanks, Terry! Do you happen to recall the general age?

 

Isn't all Van Briggle timeless?

 

But, of course!

 

I can somewhat tell the ages by the glaze

But not from pictures

They seem to have lost the Rookwood recipes around 1970

 

Fair enough.

 

I think the rushed script look is most evident in the busy tourist years of about 1950-80

 

Rushed? Are you saying that block lettering takes more time or something else?

 

Just that it looks like they didn't care if the mark was neat and they were in a hurry to get it done

 

Okay. What would you call this kind of blue-green combination? Turquoise?

 

That may be Ming blue

I think all their colors had specific names

 

Do you know a site or book I can look at to see the colors?

 

This one is a start

http://www.clemhull.com/glazes.html#ming

 

The mark on mine is in block letters, but like Terry said, that really doesn't mean much.
I have no doubt that yours is real - just not sure of the age.
I *think* I have a book around here someplace, and if I can find it I will see if this pot & glaze color is in it.

 

Cool site, Terry! Thank you so much!

LOL. That flaking I noticed on the bottom of mine isn't old glue - it's varnish!

You're right about Ming Blue too.

Messi - I'd love to hear if you find that book.

 

The T is an unknown finisher circa 1960 and the Ming blue is the circa 1940's-1960's version as evidenced by the light color clay. The bottom etching most closely resembles an etcher known as etcher "A" circa 1952-1965. The fact that it doesn't say original means it was cast not thrown.

 

Thank you, anund, I couldn't find my book.
I think it is in the basement, and therefore lost to me.