Umbrella Stand or just a vase....

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Alan G, Feb 10, 2016.

  1. Alan G

    Alan G Member

    Looking for a little help regarding what I have been told over the years is an umbrella stand. Assume it does qualify as an antique since I know for a fact it is at least 75 years old, belonged to my grandmother, handed down to my mother, then me. I have not been able to find anything on the Internet to compare it to at all. It is ceramic and quite heavy. I have found no maker's mark on the piece at all. The 'vase' is 22½" tall and approximately 17" wide including the ceramic flowers.

    Any help or suggestions regarding a more proper identification would be appreciated.

    Antique Umbrella Stand - 01.JPG Antique Umbrella Stand - 02.JPG
     
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  2. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    Welcome!
    'Antiques' are 'supposed' to be 100 years old.
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    Such things were often used for umbrellas but I doubt that this was what was intended.
    I think it's a 'jardiniere'.
     
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  3. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    I think it's far too fragile to be an umbrella stand! If it has no chips now, you're very lucky!
     
  4. desperate_fun

    desperate_fun Irregular Member

    KOT

    Good rule of thumb but there are exceptions
     
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  5. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Gorgeous! ! !
    To answer your question about antique. The US government came up with the 100 years in order to qualify as an antique for the purpose of importing. One hundred years has been adopted as the criteria for being called an antique. Anything less than that would be considered a collectible.
    This is something that has been debated and discussed for quite a while.

    As for your lovely vase, not an umbrella stand. As scout said too fragile. Never would have survived umbrellas. I think this is probably older than the 75 years you think it is. I think early 1900s to 1920s.

    I think it is French in origin. I was thinking Sarreguemines pottery, but in doing a search, I came up with many other French companies doing the flower applications.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=sar...rreguemines+vase+with+applied+flowers&imgrc=_

    Welcome to the board.
     
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  6. Alan G

    Alan G Member

    Unfortunately those ceramic flowers and leaves have been chipped in a few places over the years. You really have to be careful around those things. I have often questioned the wisdom of such an ornate umbrella stand given the chance of damage by mishandling of umbrellas themselves.... but what do I know? :)
     
  7. quirkygirl

    quirkygirl likes pretty old things

    This is what's called Barbotine, isn't it?
     
  8. Alan G

    Alan G Member

    Thanks for your reply. I did recently see something on the Antiques Roadshow with a French origin that had an outgrowth of ceramic flowers such as on this vase. Thanks also for the link!
     
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  9. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    Simply dropping an umbrella's metal tip into it will do such things in...for NO ONE* will 'place' them in. :p
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    *Many of us here wouldn't even use it for them and probably not without admonishment to the offender as well. ;)
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    Of course..... A liner of some kind, or even wood put in the bottom, will make it much happier. :)
     
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  10. Alan G

    Alan G Member

    Check some 'Barbotine' images on Google, first time I have seen items of a similar makeup. Thanks for that suggestion.

    As suggested by 'clutteredcloset', my grandmother was born in 1886 so the vase could very well be from that 1900-1920's time frame.
     
  11. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    At 22.5 inches, would you guys consider this monumental?
     
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  12. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    O boy..................
    Yeah..........................nope...................... Komo? ;)
     
  13. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    oh no
    that was an academic question!
     
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  14. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    I think its just a large vase ,looks too thin to be an umbrella stand . Can we get a pic of the bottom ? Even if not marked it sometimes helps . Its amazing to think theres not more damage considering how fragile those flowers must be !
     
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  15. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I don't think I have ever seen a true umbrella stand that did not have straight sides - a cylinder shape rather than this vase shape. Not to say it never happened, but I am skeptical.

    And there is no way this is a "jardinière" either. The term applies to pots in which to place plants complete with their root systems and are therefore more wide than tall.

    It is a lovely thing!
     
  16. desperate_fun

    desperate_fun Irregular Member

    @clutteredcloset49

    Automobiles, at 25 years are classified as "Antiques"

    As I said, 100 years is a good rule of thumb, but there are exceptions.
     
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  17. Alan G

    Alan G Member

    Thanks... I'll get one posted up here shortly.
     
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  18. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Large vase, possibly Italian. And yes, not a jardiniere. As bakers says, you placed a growing plant in those, either within its own separate pot, in which case, no water hole, or without, in which case the thing had a water drainage hole.
     
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  19. Alan G

    Alan G Member

    Here is a photo of the bottom of the vase....

    Ceramic Vase - Bottom.JPG
     
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  20. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    you'd have to be ultra rich or just plain nuts to use that as an umbrella stand....it would be trashed in no time.
     
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