Two more 800 silver questions. (Group #3 and #4)

Again, just confirming these are both likely to be 800 silver. What is interesting about these two is that they look identical, but have fairly different weights.

#3



#3 bottom:



Both sides have this:




#4 Second, nearly identical bowl, same measurements.


#4 Same scene front and back (crest?)



Same signature:


Another pic of signature (thoughts on maker?)


The bowls are identical in dimensions, but bowl #3 weighs 434.5 grams, bowl #4 weighs 468 grams.

800 silver, right? Any idea on maker? Do I need to sell these as a pair? Any descriptors on form would be helpful, or do I just call them "bowls"?

Thank you, friends!

 

See the Bruckmann & Sohne marks on this page.
https://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_a1884_2.html

 

Thank you again, Bakers.