Two gold bands? Help with marks please

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by Bookahtoo, Jul 13, 2014.

  1. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    I bought a box of mostly costume jewelry today and these two bands were in it. The larger one has 585 CK and TRAUDEL on the inside. I figured out that 585 CK means it's 14K gold, but is TRAUDEL the maker or the name of the owner?
    The smaller - really quite tiny - band has 18 + on the inside. What the heck does that mean?

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  2. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    Wild guess - it was plated with 18k gold over a base metal
     
  3. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

  4. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    The Traudel is the owner

    The 18 is purely fraud. There is no method for depositing 18K electrically. The remnant of plate doesn't even look like gold.
     
  5. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Isn't it odd that they were together though?
     
  6. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    Not after the cufflink thread discussion about finding nuts and bolts and bullets in jewelry boxes! Anything is possible.
     
  7. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    When I bought my house I found two very heavy gold chains marked with 14kt. I was a little excited until I realized they were brass plated over some base metal. The previous owner had rented out the attic to newly arrived illegal immigrants. I guess they were cheated out of their money for the chains.
    I found a nice sewing basket at a sale. Along with the buttons were silver charms, baby teeth and some adult partial plates and coins. You never know.
    greg
     
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  8. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    I once bought a junk bag holding a busted necklace assembled by some child. Most of it was nothing in particular, but.... In addition to some sterling beads was an enameled sterling pansy pendant ... which sold for around $50. I paid $3 for the bag, give or take, and got that back on scrapping the beads. Then again I've also gotten things that were full of nice marks that were junk.
     
  9. spirit-of-shiloh

    spirit-of-shiloh Well-Known Member

    Yes you CAN electroplate 18K gold on a base metal.Its 75% gold but its so fine a plating that its not worth the time and effort as the plating will rub off in time. ;)
     
  10. spirit-of-shiloh

    spirit-of-shiloh Well-Known Member

  11. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    Thank you Miss Information

    And what pray tell metal dissolves the same as gold?
     
  12. spirit-of-shiloh

    spirit-of-shiloh Well-Known Member

    Why are you so SNARKY??? I was just letting folks know that 18k CAN be used for plating :(
     
  13. spirit-of-shiloh

    spirit-of-shiloh Well-Known Member

    "Miss Information" ??????????????
    So anyone else on this board can give their reply and information, but when I do I get attacked? Just like on the eBaay board, I really don't know what is your problem???????????????????????
     
  14. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    If 18K gold is dissolved in a liquid capable of dissolving it, the 3/4 that is gold will act completely differently electrically than the 1/4 that isn't gold.

    When you spout misinformation it should be countered.
     
  15. spirit-of-shiloh

    spirit-of-shiloh Well-Known Member

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA :joyful:
     
  16. spirit-of-shiloh

    spirit-of-shiloh Well-Known Member

    Learn about basic titration ;)
     
  17. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    If you can plate with 24k, and I've seen that done all the time, you can plate with 18k too. Now what were we arguing about again?
     
  18. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    If 18K gold is dissolved in a solution capable of dissolving 18K gold, the gold will be separate atoms from the other 25% of nongold material. Gold does not bond with other metals to form molecules. They will not be electrically attracted the same to the item you wish to plate. 18KHGE is a spurious mark. 18K plate can only be applied physically.
     
  19. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    This is just off the top of my head since I have not done electro-chemistry since school, but if there are both gold and silver ions in the plating bath, both the gold and the silver in the 18K will pass to the plated object though due to the slightly different electrochemical potential of the metals, in slightly different proportions to the original alloy.

    I don't think snappish sarky posts are much of an ornament to the new forum.
     
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  20. spirit-of-shiloh

    spirit-of-shiloh Well-Known Member

    Its the various salts used. I will put this to rest after I post some links to those who wish to understand the process of electroplating.

    http://www.esslinger.com/18k-yellow-gold-plating-solution.aspx
    Krohn Ready-to-Use Gold Electroplating Solutions contain one pennyweight of pure gold per quart along with the appropriate amount of free cyanide to impart a bright gold electroplate. The solution's low cyanide content permits the solutions to be shipped standard UPS without incurring any additional hazardous shipping fees. Contains 1 dwt of metal in 1 quart solution.

    Due to shipping restrictions this product can only ship UPS Ground or Priority Mail in the continental United States.

    http://www.electrochemsci.org/papers/vol8/80506620.pdf

    https://uqu.edu.sa/files2/tiny_mce/plugins/filemanager/files/4300270/1/2/3/4/7. Additives.pdf
     
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