Two CDVs, same man? Opinions please!

Hi, I recently came across these two CDVs in a job lot, and one is labelled B(isho)p Phillpotts of Exeter, while the other is not. I'm wondering if they are the same man and would appreciate your opinions? Unfortunately the second (un-named) CDV is a little blown-out, so the features are not so clear.

Henry Phillpotts died 1869 (age 91) and seems to have been a determined and political character who you either loved or hated! I think it's easy to see the determination etched all over his face .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Phillpotts

 

I may have answered my own question ... there's a similar CDV on eBay, taken by Mayall and identified as Bishop Phillpotts! He looks a little fatter in the face in the second image than he does on my named CDV (which it turns out, was taken 1863).

 

Hi,
Thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering how they got a photograph of him if he died in 1796.
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Haha! Oops! OP has now been edited...

 

Hi,
Been there, done that.
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Looking at your original post, I see the resemblance and was going to say that I thought that your Mayall photo could be of Bishop Phillpotts. When I look for the one you found on eBay, the only one I can locate that was Phillpotts by Mayall looks more like your already ID'd photo taken by Walker. I'm not sure that the one on eBay lends itself to an ID of your Mayall photo. He looks older in the one on eBay, and in your Walker photo. I think the man in your Mayall photo looks slightly younger. Also, the photographer's set (I mean the studio setting -- curtains, etc.) of the Mayall one on eBay is different than the set on yours. This probably means taken at a different time. Here is the one I'm looking at on eBay. Is this the one you were referring to? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mayall-Lond...27?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_71&hash=item51ad55421b

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That's funny... I was thinking if it's the same man, he looks older in the Mayall photo. His skin looks softer and more droopy, and his hair and eyebrows look whiter to me.

Just goes to show how everyone sees things differently!

 

I think because he is more hunched over in the Walker photo, and also in the eBay photo by Mayall, that is why I thought he looked older there. Maybe just a trick of posture?

 

Ah, and I see it as his having stronger muscle tone and being less relaxed in the Walker photo. Once hormones start ebbing away and joints start hurting more, muscles tend to get softer. And people often mellow more, or at least don't have the energy they once did so stop being as intense about whatever used to incite them to action. That's my take, anyway!

 

Yes, that's the one... I wasn't sure if I should link to the auction. I agree, there are significant differences between the Mayall CDV's, and maybe I got a bit over excited when I saw it ;-). But to me, his face on the eBay photo more resembles my Mayall CDV than the other one... although it is difficult since it's in profile and we can't really zoom in.

It's hard to decide which older and which is younger, but I've come across a selection of images here: http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/s...search=sas&sText=henry+phillpotts&OConly=true
Is it my imagination, or does the CDV taken 'in his 90th year' look as though he has a fuller face?

I'm more confident now, after discussing it, that both CDVs in my OP are of Bishop Phillpotts. His coat also strikes me as being very similar.

I'm particularly drawn to the Walker CDV because of how Dickensian it looks! Many thanks for your comments

 

People's faces do often get fuller as they age, 'specially as everything starts droooooooping.

 

Pat, I see what you mean. Thanks!