Tribal basket?

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  1. What is this origins/ materials/ maker? Thankyou. IMG_20191014_131946_resize_67.jpg IMG_20191014_133849_resize_52.jpg IMG_20191014_133903_resize_78.jpg IMG_20191014_133858_resize_60.jpg
     
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  2. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    Looks like it could be yucca and possibly devils claw - I would google baskets by Tohono O'odham aka Papago tribes. Sometimes the darker weave would be horsehair but I am not seeing those type of fibers. Hopefully someone else who knows basketry will come along.
     
  3. I've just googled that tonguetwister tribe name Laura... Looks likely to be that... Thankyou!
     
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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Maybe this helps, the O'odham part is pronounced like autumn. (American pronunciation, so for the others, channel your inner American ;))
     
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  5. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    More likely a Zulu basket from South Africa, made of ilala palm.
     
  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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    The Tohono O’odham baskets from southern Arizona can be easily identified by the four-square knot anchoring the base and their use of coiling technique. Like nearly all basket-makers, these artists weave their baskets from local materials, in this case yucca and black devil’s claw.

    description from...
    “Woven Identities: Basketry Art of Western North America” by Valerie K. Verzuh
     
  7. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    It is African, and made from palm fiber, in northwestern Botswana or across the border in Namibia. Both areas make nearly identical baskets, which are recognized as some of the best in Africa.

    I would lean more towards Botswana, based on the design pattern. In Botswana they use the Mokola palm fiber (Hyphaene petersiana).

    They are often mistaken for Tohono O'odam (formerly called Papago), but the material is the key. Yucca tends to age to a more yellowish color, palm tends to be lighter, and more tan. Palm fiber also is more dull in appearance. Yucca isn't shiny, but there is a difference.

    There will be differences in some of the forms, as well. The African baskets will often have more of a flared shape, with a smaller base (sometimes indented slightly.) The similar Native American baskets will have a flat base.
     
  8. Trying to find the pattern not having much luck. Thanks to everyone... That's some great info! :)
     
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  9. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    Finding a match for a pattern isn't nearly as important as the combination of other characteristics like the material used, stitching technique, characteristic forms, colors used, etc.

    Any experienced basket weaver can copy design patterns, which is one of the current problems with the fake Native American baskets being imported from Pakistan. They can reproduce the designs, but they don't have the authentic local materials that truly indicate where they were made.

    Besides, some basket makers like to make their own distinctive designs or add an imaginative twist to traditional patterns. So don't be misled by designs...look for the specific combination of the other factors. In the above post, I probably should have added "I would lean more towards Botswana, based on the design pattern, which is similar to other patterns from Botswana."
     
  10. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

  11. Grateful for all the knowledge.. Especially Taupou... THANKS!
     
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  12. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    here are 3 baskets that I recently cataloged from a rather large basket collection. luckily they have their original hang tags. Some woven with just yucca and bear grass or with devil claw. papago3.jpg papago2.jpg papago.jpg
     
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  13. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Well documented examples are the best way to learn about basketry (not to mention other objects). These three illustrate one of the more modern styles of Tohono O'odham work, with the spaced "feather" stitches. The materials are still traditional - bear grass used in the bundle foundation, yucca stitching, and the dark devil's claw on the last one.
     
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