Featured Totally Confused-Duncan Miller, Sterling, Indiana, Colony Plaza Classique Goblet

Hi there,
Hi there,
I am totally confused. Does anyone know the story behind this glass goblet with oval and thumbprint design and cut rayed foot? Some identify it as DUNCAN & MILLER PLAZA #21. Others id it as Indiana/Colony CLASSIQUE. And some say Sterling Glass CLASSIQUE. Which one is correct? Did molds get passed around?

Thanks for any help in solving this one.

Kathy

 

This is probably a @George Nesmith , @dgbjwc question.

I suspect that Duncan Miller may have been the original maker. When they went out of business they sold their molds. So Indiana/Colony may have bought this mold, I don't know who Sterling is and where they would fit in.

Wait for George or Don to weigh in.

 

If aging memory is correct Colony acquired Duncan and Miller and Indiana along with several other companies in the 1960-80s. The pattern could easily have originated with D@M and been continued with other Colony companies.

 

these are 'Classique' pattern by Colony/Indiana Glass and seem to be often confused as 'Plaza'. It's hard to find info on the Plaza pattern by D&M, tho' chataboutDG does have the tumbler patents showing the 3 circles between the vertical darts. Did find a sherbet example at WP showing the different ball stem as well; Plaza also lack the flutes of Classique.

https://chataboutdg.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=6933&mode=search



https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/duncan-miller-plaza-punties-green-low-117520537

you might contact someone a the National Duncan Glass Society to see if they might share some info on Plaza Punties...

 

Why do I remember that US Glass/Tiffin bought the Duncan Miller Molds?

 

I know they bought quite a few of Duncan Miller molds. Did they buy all of them?

I only said that maybe Indiana bought some of DM's molds. I could be way off base. You know a lot more about this than I do.

 

My 30 or 40 year old memory says they bought all of them.
Most of our related research was with Geo Duncan & Sons which merged into US Glass.

 

George May be correct, it's beyond my ken, but anyone could have purchased the US Glass/Duncan moulds after US Glass closed in the 1980s.

 

Thanks everyone for you input. Tallcakes, I do see the difference in the two links. Number of circles between wedges different and shape of wafer different.

 

Gail Krause's Duncan reference guide shows Plaza on page 53. Not the greatest photos though. The pieces have two horizontal lines about an inch below the rim. The feet are not cut with rays as on Classique. Most of the pieces do not have a round wafer on the stem with the exception of the goblet and parfait (looks like a footed iced tea). The number of circles between the slashed darts varies according to the size of the piece.

 

I don't have the book but found that there is more info on Plaza in Pina, Depression Era Glass by Duncan, page 62.

 

They show a pink vase in the Plaza pattern here. https://duncan-miller.org/history/

 

I'm afraid I can't add much to the discussion above. I've checked my reference books and couldn't find anything at all about this pattern in either my Duncan or Indiana books. I would think in any iteration it is probably rare. I've got a pretty substantial collection of ruby and cranberry stained pieces but nothing in this pattern. I can't imagine I would have run across it and passed on picking up at least a piece or two unless the ruby/cranberry was very worn.

The tumbler photo did bring to mind a large bowl, though, with a cranberry rim and a slash and circle pattern. It's something I may have seen in my travels over the years but it could be an entirely different pattern and I've found my memory increasingly unreliable. I'm sorry I can't be of more help.
Don

 

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