Sterling Horse Mark

Any help with the maker?
Thanks

 

Are you sure it's a horse? It looks like a rampant lion to me. Can you show a tighter close up?

 

I guess you are right.

 

Glasgow used a ramping lion as its city mark until 1964, but should have a couple of other marks with it. My feeling is that maker wants you to think of British sterling but that it was made elsewhere.

Addendum: Oh, & just earlier today I was reading something about when & where things have been marked '925' or 'sterling'. Came away with the notion that a piece bearing both is not old enough to be an antique, but maybe old enough that it could have gone somewhere 925 was not yet the official standard for sterling or before it could be assumed that buyers would know the 2 are the same thing. 1950s - 60s? A better pic of the finial on the sugar bowl might assist the silver gurus in identifying it.

 

Here you go - Sackett & Co. of Philadelphia. Maybe

http://www.sterlingflatwarefashions.com/Silversmiths/SSS1.html

Now the odd thing (to me) is the relatively modern lines of this set versus the dates given for Sackett in the link. Rainwater's illustration of the Sackett mark is different too.

 

Japan?

 

You didn't see post #5?

 

I did but as you mentioned are they too modern to be by Sackett & Co?

 

Ok. Just wanted to make sure you had.

The owner of SFF is a member here. Maybe a message to him regarding the source of that info would be useful.

@morgen94

 

Japanese knockoff of Sackett? Probably they just tweaked their mark from time to time, but typeface for '925' is different; lion does not quite strike me as a match for the one on the silver site. Otherwise, couldn't be closer to the Sackett mark. Agree also on the look of these pieces vs. when Sackett closed. Searching for 'Danish modern creamer sugar' pulls up similar looking pieces. That finial is unusual & perhaps distinctive of a particular maker.

 

Not sure I buy the Japanese knockoff idea. With Sackett out of business by 1904, it doesn't seem reasonable to me that a modern (mid-century) maker would use a closely copied mark from a then-defunct maker no one would remember. That is, assuming the SFF site example is accurately attributed.

 

I don't really buy it either, just trying to reconcile the age issue. Sterling lidded sugar bowls without handles seem to be a rarity themselves. The finial is not so moderne as all that. Maybe this look came in earlier than we think?

 

German, mid 20th century, made by Gebruder Deyhle...

~Cheryl

 

Thanks, Cheryl! That makes so much more sense.

 

Think examples of marks for this firm I found are earlier, so maybe some things changed in the look besides the fineness number. Could not see for sure if other one was for 925 or 835, but both had the crescent & crown:

 

It is not Sackett & Co. - most reference sites and books will have errors (some more than others), this is one of a few I've run across on Sterling Flatware Fashions.

Gebruder Deyhle sterling:
http://www.icollector.com/Pair-Of-Gebruder-Deyhle-Sterling-Silver-Candlesticks_i21087008

https://www.lempertz.com/en/catalogues/lot/1039-2/561-pokal.html

http://antik.de/0027538582-e4919-Grosse-925-Ag-Sterling-Silber-Wasserkanne-Gebrueder-Deyhle

~Cheryl

 

Yes, Glasgow used the Scottish Lion, but the Glasgow mark proper was the tree-salmon-bird-bell mark, from the Glasgow coat of arms:

 

I just popped into this forum, after holiday chaos, and saw I was tagged in this post. I am sorry to say I am not the owner of SFF...and I am a her, not a him.

 

Oh, I am so sorry, @morgen94 . I don't know where or when I got that idea. Or the mistaken gender either.

I hope your chaotic holidays were at least fun! Happy New Year!