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  1. Jb89

    Jb89 Member

    These were passed down to me. :)
    Not sure what they are all worth?
     

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  2. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Welcome Jb89. This is not an appraisal site. What we do is help identify & characterize items you show us so that you then have the information needed to search the Internet for similar items that have been sold, which will give you an idea of current value.

    Cameos are my field, so looked at yours as carefully as the single pic allows. Probably you know the figure is Mercury/Hermes in his winged cap. The questions that I have that affect value are:
    • Is it only the tip of the nose that is chipped? Or is it also the chin and tip of truncation line?
    • Is it glass or hardstone (agate)? Either material can chip. I would need to have a photo taken edge on that clearly shows the line where figure & ground meet to form an opinion.
    • What size is the ring? Anything smaller than a US 6 can be a hard sell.
     
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  3. Jb89

    Jb89 Member


    Hi Bronwen! Thank you for your great explanation and questions!

    I am very new to the antique world!

    -Hmm looks like maybe chip near neck? I’m not sure as this is how I found it
    -No clue! I’m going to add some additional photos that I hope will help!!
    -this ring is quite small, I think likely below 6 size.
     
  4. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

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  5. Jb89

    Jb89 Member

    Additional images of ring
     

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  6. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    The first coin, 1910 Edward VII is either a full Sovereign or a Half.
    Both are 22k gold, you will have to weigh it
    Full 7.99 grams
    Half 3.99 grams

    The last one is a Netherlands 5 Gulden, just under 22k
    weight should be 3.36 grams
     
  7. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    The mounted coin appears to be a Netherlands (Friesland) 1760, 7 Gulden. 4.97 grams, 22k gold.
     
  8. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I have a couple of those novelty spoons with the bowl made of shell that has been taken down to the nacre. They are not worth much & I would guess - although in today's market for collectibles, who knows? - do not have much of a market. I only have mine because the handles have little cameos at the end.
     
  9. Jb89

    Jb89 Member

    I thought it might not be worth much haha
     
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  10. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Great pix, just what was needed. The cameo is hardstone, but the ring evidently enjoyed the favor of its owner & got knocked around while being worn. You can safely use dish soap & water, or toothpaste, to remove the grime that's distorting the appearance somewhat.

    Marked 14K, so that's a plus. Maybe others can work out the other marks.

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  11. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I have imagined these were made for sale at seaside holiday spots. They used different types of shell for the bowl.

    The gold on the claw looks like high quality. Any marking? Otherwise you will need to test. Also need to check on legality of selling wildlife product.

    The beads on the first item look like genuine coral, although likely dyed. Size of the piece is not clear to me. Is it a bracelet? How does the clasp work, if there is one?
     
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  12. Jb89

    Jb89 Member

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    It’s a necklace :) here are some more photos.
     
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  13. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Those are real coral beads, Mediterranean coral from the look of it. That's the good stuff. The center/clasp thingie makes me wonder if this wasn't a belt that got cut down or broken and reused. The stringining is seriously weird for either a necklace or belt, but not for a homebrew restring or reconstruction. If I found that in a church rummage sale, it would be in my bag lickety split.
     
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  14. Jb89

    Jb89 Member

    I found this link online with similar necklace! :) https://www.1stdibs.com/en-gb/jewel...ue-natural-mediterranean-coral/id-j_11653422/
     
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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is an antique Dutch necklace from Zeeland, probably Walcheren. Those smaller irregular beads are usually on necklaces from the early to mid 1800s. The gold is very likely 14k, but we need to see photos of the mark(s) for both the gold fineness and age.

    The Dutch always used Mediterranean red coral for their coral necklaces, that is a given which is never dwelt upon in the Netherlands. An important Dutch term when selling is 'bloedkoraal'.
    The necklace you found is from a different region, and the beads are different. Consequently the value is not the same as yours, and yours is probably older.
    Please post a closeup of the mark.:)

    The mounted coin is called a "halve gouden rijder". It is from Groningen (not Friesland), and it was used in the Dutch Republic. Groningen is to the east of Friesland.
    I don't know if you are Dutch or can read Dutch, look under 'Type II':

    https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouden_rijder

    The pin back is pre-1950 on an earlier cross construction. There should be a mark.
     
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  16. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    looks like u also have a victorian gold mounted lion claw.....

    maybe a tiger claw....... a zoologist will know for sure....
     
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  17. Ex Libris

    Ex Libris Well-Known Member

    True, the coin from the 1700’s is a so called Gouden Rijder (golden rider) from one of the provinces Groningen en Ommelanden. This is the 7 guilder version and contains rougly 5 grams of gold. Like my example your coin seems to be minted in Harderwijk in likely 1761. That makes this coin a rare one and more valuable than other older Dutch coins that are worth not much more than scrap value.
     
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  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I deleted this part of post #15. That post was in the middle of the night, but I took another look at the coin brooch. Seems like the mount isn't soldered on the coin, so it still has value as a proper antique 'halve gouden rijder' coin. As such it is much more valuable than as brooch.:)
    Just to be sure, could you check if it isn't soldered?
     
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  19. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Ditto.
    If the claw also has a Dutch connection, it could be a tiger claw from the Dutch East Indies. And I agree, 19th century.
    And another request for possible marks.:)

    Tiger claws from the Dutch East Indies were generally mounted either in Indonesia or in Singapore.

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  20. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    These were never belts. But I agree, there is something odd about the stringing, with those strange crochet-like ends. It could be a home re-string.
    There is also something unusual going on with the backs of the crescent shaped parts of the clasp, some black stuff has been added.

    Those thin strings tend to wear, and repairs aren't always sympathetic to the piece.
    Mine was re-strung when it was still my mother's, and non-period gold 'lakbolletjes', lacquer ball thingies, were added (what are those called in English?):

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