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Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Martin s, Jan 19, 2024.

  1. Martin s

    Martin s Well-Known Member

    I picked this up a while back.i have done a bit of research and think its cinnabar.

    It measures a little over 8 inches tall.looking for similar eg online but it looks like a minefield.
    How can you tell the quality of it and when maybe it dates from

    Thank you once again. JPEG_20240119_163548_resize_25.jpg JPEG_20240119_163617_resize_88.jpg JPEG_20240119_163648_resize_42.jpg JPEG_20240119_172234_resize_49.jpg JPEG_20240119_163728_resize_90.jpg JPEG_20240119_163904_resize_61.jpg
     
  2. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    Key to quality is the carving itself: how fine and detailed and sharp and precise is it all.

    The other important factor is if it's actual real cinnabar, which is older and produced through a toxic process involving mercury, or if it's newer and resin (plastic).

    (Obviously if it's plastic and produced from a mold (ie, not hand-carved), it's much less desirable / valuable.)

    Yours looks older but it's hard to tell from these photos.
     
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  3. Martin s

    Martin s Well-Known Member

    Heres a few
    Here is a few more photos hope there better JPEG_20240119_182228_resize_49.jpg JPEG_20240119_182309_resize_29.jpg JPEG_20240119_182333_resize_5.jpg JPEG_20240119_182358_resize_65.jpg
     
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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Martin, it is difficult to see, but I think it could be molded plaster covered with a layer of real cinnabar. That was done quite a lot in the late 19th-early 20th century.
    So probably an early fake, and not as valuable as handcarved cinnabar.
    If it is indeed an early fake, there is an upside, because you have less toxic cinnabar to worry about.
     
  5. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Good catch (esp pic#10) where a spot of plaster seems completely visible.There's some small pinpoints & flecks elsewhere.
    I'd think an antique fake beats a new one in most cases.
     
  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Absolutely.
     
  7. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    It's an attractive piece. Perhaps depicting a teacher / scholar and student in a garden.
     
  8. Martin s

    Martin s Well-Known Member

    Ye are the specialists and i am all the wiser after the last week.thank you all very much
     
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Martin, if you like cinnabar, It is good to know how genuine carved cinnabar items were made:

    Cinnabar lacquer was applied in layers. Each layer had to dry before the next was applied.
    When there was sufficient thickness of the lacquer, it was carved. The carved edges were sharp, just like carving clay.
    But more importantly, the carving revealed the layering of the cinnabar. So when you have a side view of a carved detail, you can see lines, the lacquer layers.
     
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2024
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  10. Martin s

    Martin s Well-Known Member

    Thanks Any Jewler.Good to know
     
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