Featured Signed cameo Lamont / Lamant III

Hello again,
Moving on to the next cameo, in the countdown to Christmas.
I had a chance to show it to @Bronwen before it reached me, but did not have a chance to share the rest of it. I have read in the past that there were two Lamants or Lamonts carvers in the same time period. To throw a spin on it, this one is signed Lamont or Lamant the third.
As far as I remember there were some mentions of Jesus and his mother Mary. It was long ago @Bronwen please could you tell us about the characters in the depiction, I see one is holding a spear.
Also, what do you think about the signature? Is it LamAnt or LamOnt?
The frame is gold, did not test it, should be around 12 carat or 15 carat.
Thank you.
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It is Lamant. I think the three lines scored below the name were put there deliberately but that they have no connection to the name. Looking through photos I have of the backs of cameos by Lamant, I see that additional marks are routine. An extreme case:



If you search for instances where we have discussed Lamant on this site, you will find many posts.

An unusual presentation of 2 common themes. One is Cupid & Baby Bacchus, as I call him, hanging out & getting drunk together.




The other is of Venus or another female attendant teasing Cupid by holding an arrow out of his reach,



What is unusual is the combination of the two. The lady is a bit overdressed for Venus, but I don't know what Lamant had in mind.

 

I will have a look again through the posts about Lamant, just wanted to make sure I understood correctly, by the end of the discussion I understood that there was only one Lamant not two, is that correct? Would my cameo also classify for the same time period ?
Lastly, if we assume one character is Cupid, the other is Venus, whom is the third character, the little boy?
Thank you.
Kind regards,
Simona

 

In the end we were never sure because we couldn't find any documentation supporting there being 2 of them. We were leaning this way because there are what we saw as 2 different categories of cameos & signatures, both Lamant. This cameo belongs to the first category of a complicated mythological scene, well done. The other group are what I call country lane cameos. You know the type: a rustic scene put together from stock elements of a tree (obligatory), a building(s), a well (NOT Rebecca), a woman or two, geese, ducks, a stream, a pond, a bridge.

The first group are signed in cursive or separate cursive form letters. The other signature is cruder & more like printing. I'm irritated with myself for not having saved any pix of the country lane group. Our former member jivvy kept turning them up. They seem to be plentiful.

When the Lamant descendant got in touch with us, there was no mention of a brother or son who also made cameos.

Cameo Signature Help Needed

 

nice pics !!!
size is helpful, though...

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus,_Cupid,_Folly_and_Time

 

JMHO.
l'amant meaning a.o. paramour/ loverboy/ beau/ fancy woman/ concubine/ mistress...
it may be a title/desription of a generic subject.

 

I mention in the signature thread where we first worked over Lamant that it was a nickname acquired by the father, used by son like a surname. He is dit Lamant. The family name is actually Juliot*. Yes, dad must have been quite the Romeo.

* See below. It is Juiliot.

 

Most certainly Romeo, in Romanian, being a Latin language, “ amant” also means lover (masculine)
It’s like an advertisement

I will look into the translation of the link, I think there is a mention of “both” carvers, will check once again. Is Lamant member still active? Would like to copy him in to see this brooch.
Thanks

 

Could it he refer to Victor and Louis, father and son?

@Bronwen

 

Oh good, that's sorted. Obviously I'm not paying full attention. One of them was definitely better than the other. This also clears up the name, which appears several different ways in the documents.

 

No, the account seems no longer to be active.

 

I also can see the difference in the signature, one L is different than the other, the one you have posted, presume is 1849, and also for some reason my gut feeling tells me that it may be the signature of the father Victor, and mine may be the signature of Louis, since he moved to England in 1852.
Also, the google translation did not pick up “both the fatherS”, plural, “le pere” in French should be plural, as far as I remember from the French lessons, 20 years ago
I wonder what is on the other side of your Cameo? That would also pin down probably whom preferred what? Which one is the better carver, father or son ?
And form the settings of my brooch, not the carving, what period would you pin it down? thank you

 

the form is masculine but when it's used for a mixed lot or when you don't know because you can't lift the skirt then it's masculine for both.
(((but now they try to introduce "iel, ielle, iels, ielles". hurts in the eyes...)))

 

To continue the Lamant cameo discussion, here are mine. The first cameo is a familiar tavern scene

Here is a second with a signature that is more fluent script:


Then this one looks like the same script as the first, but not a full signature. It may or may not be Lamant:



And finally another partially signed cameo. Just "Lo" or "La". The script looks similar to the first full signature:

 

Hey, PepperAnna, Nice to 'see' you again. And look at all the goodies you brought us.

Is the tavern scene a Teniers? So that one is by the Lamant who separates his letters. And the lovely Hebe is by the one who writes in cursive. I can't think of any way to determine which Lamant is which unless I gather a range of dated specimens over time.

Not doing well at that so far. The only one I can lay my hands on at the moment belongs to me, 1848, the printed Lamant. (Don't ask me what the scene is; I'm baffled. Suggestions welcome.)



It is the first time I have seen a cameo signed this way, but think your Lt has to be the cursive Lamant. Compare to:



The fourth one looks like the cutter had second thoughts about putting his name on it, doesn't it? Think you are correct that it is also another Lamant. That fiddle head L belongs to the one who prints.

 

@PepperAnna Could we see the findings on the back of the Hebe? Might give an idea as to date.

 

@Bronwen. Here are pictures of the backs of both fully signed cameos.

 

Bronwen- my guess at the subject matter is Mercury telling the maidens to take their harvest to market. Mercury protected both merchants, especially those dealing in grains, and travelers. Merchants would pray to him for high profits and protection of their goods.
Now as to why Cupid is there? Who knows. Maybe he was needed to visually balance the composition?

With regards to Teniers paintings, I have looked at many from both the father and the son, but have not found the scene depicted on the cameo. There are elements, but nothing specific.

It's good to be back in the group- alot of posts to catch up on! I have been dealing with health issues for the last year that took all my attention.