Featured Seller is calling this 18th century WOrcester bird dish, but I'm not seeing any that are similar.

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by sunday silence, Apr 29, 2021.

  1. sunday silence

    sunday silence Well-Known Member

    102050303_1_x.jpg 102050303_3_x.jpg 102050303_7_x.jpg 102050303_13_x.jpg 102050303_8_x.jpg 102050303_9_x.jpg Does the "M" mark have any significance or is that a signature?
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  2. sunday silence

    sunday silence Well-Known Member

    DOes the "M" on the bottom have any significance or is it more likely a signature?
     
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  3. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I'm not seeing Worcester in that. Not convinced it's British.
     
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  4. TallCakes

    TallCakes Well-Known Member

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  5. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Hmmmm.... they're implying it's the 1755 to 70 mark, then. It's not like any of the Godden examples, I'll see if I can find the Sandon book.
     
  6. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

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  7. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    That gilding worries me sightly.
     
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  8. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Henry Sandon in his Worcester Porcelain Illustrated Guide does mention the script W on an exotic/fabulous birds dish.

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  9. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    In Worcester Blue and White Porcelain 1751-1790, by Branyan, French and Sandon (John) they mention the script W several times on pieces but don't show an example. (It seems John Sandon autographed my book:) though I got it second hand)
     
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  10. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    There's two W examples in Godden, but neither are like what I can see of this mark.
     
  11. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    This is online from the book Chats on English China, by Arthur Hayden

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/57124/57124-h/57124-h.htm#Page_70

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    The first two letters, [​IMG] , in script, were used when the factory was under the direction of Dr. Wall, who died in 1776. The capital W was marked in blue on early printed china. The crescent in outline was one of the earliest marks, while the second crescent filled in with blue, under the glaze, occurs on blue-printed china, which was invented about 1755.
     
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  12. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    And from Godden's Illustrated Encyclopedia an ad showing a few examples of faked wares.

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  13. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

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  14. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    In Worcester Porcelain 1751-1790, The Zorensky Collection, Simon Spero and John Sandon write that the Blue Bordered Wares were introduced c1780.
     
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