School of Rubens Road to Calvary Need help with Age...

Hi everyone I have an amazing quality School of Rubens oil painting on canvas of his "Road to Calvary" painting cir.1637, depicting the Passion of Christ, Veronica, her veil etc. Mine appears to be late 1700's, it has been re-lined and the frame is not the original. The canvas only measures an amazing 40" x 63" and is in very good condition. I would love to know the age of the painting and it's potential value (guesstimated range). Thank you!

 

And here are the images of the back.

 

Thank you! I will do that next time

 

Could you explain what you meant by "School of Rubens?"

Debora

 

From the collection of the Royal Museum of Fine Arts of Belgium.

Debora

 

This one talks about the original painting on the back. I believe it's a copy.

 

Sniped by Debora!

 

a well done copy..

 

I don't think anyone here is in a position to offer a realistic opinion on value...

 

Yes as I mentioned in my description it absolutely is a copy, but a very old and very well done copy I am curious exactly how old and as Komokwa pointed out it is very tough to guesstimate a realistic value.

 

From my limited experience there is Circle of (connected directly to the master at the same time of the master's existence) most valuable...Studio of (part of the actual apprenticeship or understudy of the same studio the master worked in)most valuable just a hair under Circle...School of...(learned under the same styles and medium and mastery as the masters themselves) less valuable but still desirable and After master ( a personal copy or version of a painters to emulate the work of an Old Master) least valuable.

I hope this helps

 

Ah. And you have decided your copy is of the former and not the latter?

Debora

 

I don't see evidence of this being re-lined. Perhaps you are just not showing where the new canvas meets the old? Also, doesn't really make sense that a relining would have paint samples on the back. If not re-lined, would think this contemporary to the tag. Maybe late 19th century at best, to possibly several decades newer.

 

I was just going to post exactly what you said Brad, however you were more diplomatic than I would have been.

 

like......1923 maybe ?

 

Certainly not “school of” but rather “later copy”, most likely 19th century.

 

It wasn't uncommon before the advent of mass tourism for copyist to paint in museums, in front of the works they were recreating. They produced a superior type of souvenir as it were. I suspect that's what the card pinned to the back of the frame indicates.

Debora

 

Hmmm...amazing food for thought. To answer Brad's post, being mounted so firmly in the frame made it difficult to see the potential re-lining. I will scrutinize further. On a side note it is from minimum the late 1800's as we found a 1902 appraisal certificate amongst the paperwork that did a review and appraisal of the painting. Again I think my biggest challenges are to determine a fairly accurate age and subject matter of all my art. Once I have that I can let the world dictate price as they go up for auction.

 

Yes my conclusion was school of, considering it has many of the same techniques and values as the original. I'm having the paint pigment tested for age and origin next week.