Royal crown over R improvd oomposn(?)

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  1. Fishr

    Fishr New Member

    So wondering what the age might be please.
     

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  2. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    probably says improved composition so some sort of alloy ..guessing 1870's?
     
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  3. Fishr

    Fishr New Member

    Thanks!
     
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  4. Fishr

    Fishr New Member

    I can’t find this hallmark anywhere. Have any photos that are similar or near similar? Is the hallmark part of a reine of a king?
     
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  5. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Just so you know, it's not a "hallmark." A hallmark only appears on precious metals (gold, silver, platinum) as a guarantee of fineness at an official standard established by government.

    Looks like pewter?
     
  6. Fishr

    Fishr New Member

    Yes it is pewter. Thank you for the clarification.
     
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  7. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    Can anyone make out the letters under the crown? Second one looks like R.

    Mikey
     
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  8. Fishr

    Fishr New Member

    Yep! It’s an R
     
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  9. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    There is another letter to. the left of the R
     
  10. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    'VR' = Victoria Regina...

    ~Cheryl
     
  11. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    Cheryl nailed it.
    Crown over VR is for the realm of Victoria Regina.

    Mikey
     
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  13. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Guess my eyes are shot tonight.....I see a kind of script 'R', but just don't see the 'V'.......but I agree there's 'something' there....sort of....I think.......:rolleyes:
     
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  14. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    The "c. 1835" would be no earlier than 1837, and believe the 'JO/HN/YA/TE/S' marks are present but pretty much obscured - the 'Improved Composition' most likely refers to Britannia Metal:


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    yatesmarkpewterbank.JPG


    1837 Yates advertisement:

    yatesbritanniapewter1837cornishrailwaycompanion.JPG


    ~Cheryl
     
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  15. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    try to bend it. when it's soft - pewter with too much lead - then it could be from Her Majesty's Pleasure. made to prevent the inmates to use it as weapon.
     
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  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Welcome Fishr.
    Britannia Metal is 92% tin, the other components are copper and antimony. It generally looks more silvery than this spoon though

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  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Light bulb moment, improved compost, that explains the darker colour.:playful:

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  18. Fishr

    Fishr New Member

    Thanks everyone!!! You’re right, there appears to be marks below the R but are too far gone to see anything else. Oh there’s no bending this thing. It’s solid.

    Edit: Where it’s supposed to read Compost, the T looks like a definite N. Any ideas?
     
  19. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    The clip comes from a century-old reference, suspect the illustration might have been taken from a poorly struck example - 'COMPOSN' would be a more likely abbreviation of 'COMPOSITION'...

    ~Cheryl
     
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