Roseville repro?

I think I know what I have, but thought I'd post just for others to see. This was at the thrift yesterday for $2.99, was going to post a question because I thought it looked poorly painted, esp. the whites of the flowers, and wondered why.

Just did a quick search of the alpha-numerical marking on the base and found a closed UK auction with those exact numbers and "Roseville repro". Assuming that is what this is. Would this reproduction have been done back in the 40's-50's or more recently?

 

My WAG is 1990s at the earliest.

 

Geez. That's not even a "good" fake.

 

It has sort of an overall older look from a distance, but the paint detailing is quite rough as soon as you get up close. I'm just curious - who makes these/sells them? (China?) I mean where would you buy this retail? If made in the 1990's or more recently (not doubting that) it is seemingly made to represent an out of production 40's or 50's piece. I know antiques are being reproduced left and right, but how does this work from a marketing standpoint? Seems like someone would have to make hundreds if not thousands of copies of a single style, where do they sell them? Fake Gucci purses I get - modern styles are copied, sold in shopping malls kiosks. Where would something like this be sold?

 

Came from China by the thousands.
I *think* they could be found at a number of discount stores like, perhaps, Marshalls and and the like.

 

Not at my Marshalls. Something like this wouldn't make it into their merchandising strategy. Maybe Big Lots?

 

Could well be Big Lots.

 

Hi,
That by far is "thee WORST" fake I have ever seen. I have handled a few that made me look and look again just to be sure it wasn't real. They started to flood the country as Messi says in the 1990s. I first one I saw was on a blanket at a flea market. From looking at it it looked real, when I picked it up the bottom and the weight were giveaways.
greg

 

There's a discussion in Chervenka's section on Roseville repros that talks about how the China fakers got in trouble by including the Roseville "USA" in the marks (the implication being that the faked items were made here.) So they had to remove the USA from the molds and put a tiny Made In China sticker on them (which you know got "lost" as soon as possible.) Some of the molds were not completely altered, so another "red flag" is a very shallow or incomplete USA.

 

I have never seen them in stores. I think that most of them came through catalogue companies. I noticed today that Miles Kimball Catalogue has a red "Depression Style Pitcher" which is a bad reproduction of the Mayfair or Open Rose Pattern.

 

I just looked at the Miles Kimball Website. Found 3 Pages of Repro Depression Glass. Didn't find any pottery though.
http://www.mileskimball.com/shop-depression-style-glassware&pageindex=1

 

Didn't know about the depression glass, too. Interesting!

Thanks, everyone -- good to know all of this. Just looked, there are a ton of listings for "Reproduction Roseville" pieces listed on Ebay--none say USA. Many different shapes and patterns. This is the first repro Roseville piece I ever held. I never collected pottery for the most part, and Roseville almost never shows up at the thrifts or garage sales. Maybe because it is so distinctive looking, people know what it is. Ironically, one month earlier at the same thrift I got a lovely piece, quite sure that was the real deal. Not hugely valuable, but was surprised to find it on the shelf.

 

Most of the fake Roseville goes directly to antique dealers and auction houses. There may have been some catalogs and mainstream retailers that sold it but not many.

If you are not familiar with AA Importing, you should be. I know they sold the reproduction Roseville at one point but am not sure if they still do. They carry all kinds of reproductions that consistently show up in the antiques market, including ebay. They are probably the most prominent wholesaler of such goods. There are many others.

 

A quick look at their website finds no Roseville but lots of Porcelain and glass.

I always hesitate to mention AA Importing to other dealers since I don't want to contribute to the problem. However, since we are among friends here .......... I hope.

 

Please

They are FAKES

Reproduction makes them sound like they have a degree of legitimacy.

 

Terry, I was thinking the same thing. And isn't it against eBay policy to list things like this?

To go off on a tangent, around eight years ago, a Chinese buyer bought a number of sets of antique African trade beads from me on eBay. Today, I see sellers on eBay selling beads that they say are antique African trade beads, but look like new fakes to me. It makes me wonder it that's why the Chinese buyer was purchasing trade beads back then....

 

Murano never stopped producing glass beads and nearly all beads represented as 'antique trade beads' are misrepresented. Why would there be more 'African' beads in the US than in Africa?

According to a Colorado seller of fake beads they get them from India

 

Terry, I agree, more accurate would be to call these pieces "fake". I think the term "reproduction" somehow allows sellers to get away with selling these on Ebay, but truly they are "fakes".

Pat, I also wondered how these pieces (listed on Ebay as "Roseville Reproductions") were being sold on Ebay. I had a 1960's Barbie knock-off doll I tried to list about 7 years ago. I was not representing it as a Barbie, in fact I think I used the words "knock-off" in the title. That auction was live for about sixty seconds before I got a threatening letter from Ebay about how "fakes, etc". were not allowed. Either they changed their tune or the term "reproduction" is allowed.

The info on this post is answering a big question I've had over the last few years at the thrifts. Although this is the first Roseville fake I've seen, I've seen dozens of those colored clear glass hens in baskets as shown on the Miles Kimball catalog (they are all over the thrifts). Wasn't really tempted by them because that kind of thing, even if older, does not seem to be selling, but was wondering where they all came from. And the AA link is important to know about. Thank you.

 

Stating that these non-USA Roseville items are 'fake' is incorrect, and eBay is allowing people to sell these items without restrictions BECAUSE THEY ARE LEGIT MERCHANDISE.

http://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/resources/essays/fake-or-repro.php

 

Be that as it may, no self respecting dealer would carry them because they look like carp when viewed up-close.
The new makers didn't "reproduce" these, they made them look like something the cat dragged in.