Featured Renaissance painting copy with cracklature -- hand painted?

Discussion in 'Art' started by AntiqueBytes, Aug 19, 2024.

  1. AntiqueBytes

    AntiqueBytes Well-Known Member

    I saw this in my local antique mall the other day.

    I wanted to take it off the wall to photograph the other side but the dealer had the price tag stuck to the wall which made it impossible. The whole thing was heavy and the back looked like it was made of cork, but only a type of heavy material that just looked like cork on the surface but was much denser. Does that seem authentic?

    She always seems to get the best stuff in the mall, and so I'm wondering the provenance on this.

    It's a copy of a Raphael. There are several hand done copies of this painting. The cracklature makes me think it's real.

    It was just about two feet high, probably smaller.


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  2. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    Not to be crass, but how much was she asking? That'll be a clue to what she knows about it.
     
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  3. AntiqueBytes

    AntiqueBytes Well-Known Member

    About $150. I see the price is just cut off at the side.
     
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  4. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

  5. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    It looks like a reproduction in which the figures have been outlined in silver paint and nimbuses in gold have been added. (In the original, the figures have halos.)

    Debora
     
  6. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The way the craqelure has developed in parallel lines that way looks very wrong to me, but this is far out of my field, so others may educate me.
     
  7. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    no , your right.......they look wrong !!!
     
  8. mirana

    mirana Well-Known Member

    Craquelure can develop in interesting patterns. Here's a few examples at the Hamilton Kerr Institute. I swear there's another article about types somewhere on the Courtauld's website too but I can't find it right now. :rolleyes:
     
  9. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    This was really interesting, the way paintings from different countries tended to show a characteristic craquelure. This one still looks far too regular for long stretches. It reminds me of the way Celluloid meant to look like ivory compares with genuine ivory. One explanation could be the material it is painted on, which is currently a mystery.
     
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  10. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    That craquelure appears to be rolled on. And rolled on to flesh only. If you study it, you can see the pattern repeating itself down the length of the child. Forgive my bluntness, but I fail to see the appeal of this piece. Or understand how the seller can justify a 3-figure price.

    Debora
     
  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Ditto. And both nimbuses have bits cut off.:(
    It looks like the kind of reproduction you see in Italian souvenir shops and in shops that sell religious art.
     
  12. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    The original. 'The Grand Duke's Madonna.' Oil on panel. Raphael. c. 1504-1505. Pitti Palace, Florence.

    Debora

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  13. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Ya know... I think the seller's descriptive word "icon" is key here. That explains the silver paint outlining the figures and the replacement of the halos with the gold paint nimbuses. Don't know why someone would tart up a copy of a masterwork in this way but that's what's been done.

    Debora

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  14. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Slightly OT perhaps.....but while researching a factory painting I found that many of the companies who will sell you a factory painting will make a copy of anything you want....and that you can order those replica paintings with or without craquelure. It appears that craquelure is pretty easy for those companies to add to any painting they make.
     
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  15. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    "Would you like craquelure with that order?"

    Debora
     
  16. AntiqueBytes

    AntiqueBytes Well-Known Member

    I wonder about the "cork" material it was backed with. It seemed solid as the piece was heavy. Cork isn't porous so it wasn't resin soaked regular cork.
     
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  17. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    We'd have to see a photograph to even speculate.

    Debora
     
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  18. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member


    Perhaps particle board?

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  19. AntiqueBytes

    AntiqueBytes Well-Known Member

    Yes, it was probably a type of dense heavy particle board.
     
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  20. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    That's not a good sign.

    Debora
     
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