Featured Potties,help verifying a hunch?

Hi all. I found these 2 pretties recently and though I know less about English pottery than I do Asian,I just had a feeling these were early 19th century Stafford shire. Ami I wrong ? The couple is 7x3 1/2,some chips on the foliage.The pastiche burner is 6 1/2x4 and the chimney has a chip. Any input is always appreciated.






Pink opalescent vase I found with these

 

pastiche = pastille

 

Oy ! Im embarrassed ! Brain fart . Thank you

 

Don't be, Johnny, there are a few pastiches that should certainly be burned.

 

I don't know how "early" the figure and pastille burner are, but they're Staffordshire! Love the cottage one. I'm thinking more mid-19th c, but that's a guess.

 

Those look right. I think the figures are older than the burner. They look early nineteenth, the burner maybe mid.

 

Thank you ! I was hoping you'd chime in. I really vacillated about buying them cause I just wasnt sure. But decided i liked them anyway. Now Im glad I did.

 

I'm not convinced that the Saffordshire figure is early - sorry to cast doubt on it.

 

May I ask what misgivings you have ? I had my doubts too,but the foliage,the design on their clothing and their faces do look an awful lot like other genuine ones.

 

The foliage looks good. It’s just the colours especially on the back and the flute that don’t look right. I very well may be wrong. The British Pottery Facebook group will know for sure.

 

I haven't chimed in because a Staffordshire figure has to be pretty famous for me to have a hope. I'm uncomfortable with the composition of the first, and the glaze. Show me another Staffordshire couple with a man playing a musical instrument (or is he smoking a pipe) beside a demurely seated, inactive woman. In such compositions as I see, either the woman has an instrument of her own, or she's dancing or such - she's a more active participant.

I might also expect bocage filling the space behind her.

The problem I have with the glaze is that cascade of white down the front. It's an effect I really like, but is it 19th C Staffordshire?

In the thumbnail, this man looked like he might be playing an instrument similar to that in your figure, but as you can see, he's playing bag pipes, and she's managing that group of dogs, not sitting idly by.


On the pastille burner: I simply don't know. That's pretty, and there are a lot of real ones out there, but they're probably significantly outnumbered by the fakes.

 

I asked an expert . She specialises in pre 1840 but she felt that the figure looks okay for Victorian but she can’t say for certain. I’ve been through my Victorian Staffs figure books and can’t find it . Good luck .

 

I dunno. There are all kinds of "quality" in Staffordshire figures from the very sloppy to the very detailed and they run the gamut from the latter 18th c all the way up to the 20th c. There is a FaceBook group for Staffordshire figures which would provide best information, I think, as it's Myrna S's (I can't remember her surname) group. She's written books on Staff figs. If you aren't on FB, I can snag the photos and post them there if you like. @Ownedbybear -- what is the name for the bitsy stuff that is the blue edging on the pastille burner? I'm having a very senior moment here!

 

Myrna was the expert I asked

 

Thank you all so much for the great responses ! And for reaching out to others on my behalf.Just to further confuse myself,I read that reproductions have a hole in the back,as the figures do,but they are usually much larger. I read gosh knows how many sites,and I still am not clear ! But considering its 100 outside its not like Im going anywhere,so back to the grind.

 

are you thinking bocage?

 

AFAIK, bocage is the flower and leafy bits behind the figures, but I'm trying to remember the word for the frilly bits used for the blue stuff on the roof and stairs of the pastille burner. My brain is not coughing it up and it's bugging me now, LOL! Looks like John Brassey and I frequent the same FB groups!

 

All the 50s stuff is called spaghetti.

 

Yeah, but unless you were Italian, I don't think they had spaghetti in those days in England. Frit is the word that comes to mind, but that's not it and it's blocking my brain! Oh well. It'll show up eventually.

 

I’ve lost the term too. Feh.