Featured Please id & date two high wooden sculptures

Hello friends,

at a Roman auction house, I noticed that many in the hall were bidding so much interested at these two wooden sculptures,
... and in my ignorance, I let myself be influenced by the interest of others, and I won the auction. ( Do not ask me the price please )
After winning the auction, many of those who had made offers, looked at me frantically, so I guess I did maybe a good deal, lol.
They are huge, and very heavy, forgive the photos, but it was very difficult to make them, given the clutter.
A particularity that could help in the identification and in the dating: on the left side of one of the two sculptures, there is an old label, as in the picture.
I thank everyone for your help in identifying and dating these two elements.
Even on the top of one of them, it seems to me that there is an incision, a text, but it is worn out and not readable.

The shortest, (wider):

height
cm 92.5 without hook
95.5 cm with hook

width
17 cm

weight
about KG 6.5

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the highest, (thinner):

height
115 cm without hook
117 cm with hook

width
12 cm

weight
about KG 3

 

Very interesting pieces. What were they described as in the auction catalog? The auction house must have given you some idea as to origin and age. The label "Atlantic Transports" could have been the Atlantic Transport Line shipping company (1881-1931).

 

Oh dear.

They look like naive carvings based on Medieval European tombstones. The crossed legs appear on the tombstones of Knights Templar, which may have been why others were bidding. People go mad when there is a Knights Templar connection. But why a woman?
This is all speculation though.

Cast of the tombstone of sir Robert de Roos 1227.

 

Here's the same label on the frame of a 1961 painting. Date would be about right, I would think, for your decorative wall hangings.

https://www.chairish.com/product/926141/1924-nino-guiffridaneo-impressionist-cubist-acrylic-painting

Debora

 

Here's the same label again on frame of painting from same time period.

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-...ylvania-new-york-france-germ-108-c-a014ce8824

Debora

 

If the buyer was deceived into believing these are ancient carvings rather than 1960s decorative pieces, does he have any recourse? I hope there is at least "Yelp" in Italy so he can leave a review of his experience with the auction house.

Lesson to be learned: Don't bid unless you are sure of what you're bidding on.

 

It says 1924 not 1961

 

If you look at the listing itself, it says the painter was born in 1924, but the painting was painted in 1961. I believe he is still alive.

 

Translated in English is like "two important carved tribal wood sculptures" (and then the measures that you know

 

Ahhhh ok ok

 

I would bring them to a local museum or antique dealer and see what they have to say. If they are just decorative pieces, you should go back to the auction house. I hope you used your credit card to pay!

 

so from your point of view what could be the origin? And why were they transported by a French company? also the attribution of the date of the 60s It does not seem bad.
I'm very interested in understanding why everyone was betting on these sculptures and I had to sweat a lot to overtake them...

 

I don't understand you before you say that they are very interesting pieces and now it seems you are having Fun

 

I repeat and I ask you to believe me on the trust that there were 4 people who continued to fight upward to win this Lotto and the moment I broke in and I started to raise they got annoyed and have continued to raise the bet But then I managed to win the hammer auction And I think there should be a valid reason for all this, otherwise or we were 5 stupid, or We were four experts and an adventurer

 

Gian, it looks like honest advice to me.

 

it's a carved collar