Featured Please Help Identifying-Picture frame/oil painting

Hi Everyone,
I am new to this site today and I must say, after reading through it, I am impressed at how knowledgeable and helpful you all are. I love antiques but am new at identifying them so I am hoping someone can help me with this.
I was told by the seller (garage sale) that the artist is unknown as is the date. I have spent hours doing research and haven't found anything other than, the wood plaster frame could be 1600's to 1800's and the artist may have signed on the back, hidden under the frame. I see a pencil date on front with 1649 but I dont know where that came from.
I would very much appreciate any comments. Thanks so much!

 

Your landscape painting and its frame most likely date to the second half of the 19th century. As you now own it, the best thing to do is remove the painting (carefully) from the frame and see if it is signed and/or dated. What is the size? Is it under glass? And are you sure the frame is gessoed and not carved? Full pictures of both the front and back would be helpful along with close-ups of any labels, stickers or markings.

Debora

 

Frame is lovely, if it’s carved it is more desirable than if it is plaster.

 

Personally, I doubt that it's that old. My guess would be more 1930-60, and amateur. I don't get a 19th C feel from either the frame or the painting.

 

I would consider that a variation of the classic acanthus leaf motif. Others may disagree.

Debora

 

Not an expert but...

I would consider it an example of Tonalism which was a late Victorian art style, which continued into the 20th century and on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonalism

Here's a contemporary example.

Debora

 

Tonalism... more likely grime and discolored linseed oil.

Show me a close up of the tree. If it's well painted, I'll be happy to say so.

A thousand times I walk away from people on these boards saying this is Hudson School (why not this one?), or Impressionist, or Cubist, or Abstract Expressionist, when what they really are is amateur, and amateur, and amateur, and amateur.

 

Thank you everyone for your comments.
@speechless, I resized photos and I was afraid to go over the limit. I will try the full size next time
It is plaster on wood for sure. I really don't want to remove the painting as I am worried about destroying the frame, and, my gut says its amateur as moreotherstuff stated.
Thanks for the info Debora, very interesting, appreciated.
I like the frame too houseful, and it's in good shape
BTW, the size is 13.5" x 11.5"
Cheers good people!

 

same type of frame restored by a specialist and at least 1850s if not earlier.

 

Thanks Fid

 

Welcome to the forum, Rainbowdust.
As you have already seen, a forum is always made up of different people with different opinions. Fwiw, here is mine.
The painting doesn't look Tonalist to me at all, but not amateur either. I agree with mos, the painting is very dirty, and it looks like the varnish has yellowed or it has been in an environment with (heavy) smokers. The dirt and discolouration could hide nice details.
The frame is beautiful. Acanthus leaf motifs are classic, and frames like that were made for quite some time.

This sounds disgusting, but even professionals do it: put some simple spit on cotton wool and rub it on a small area where you could expect detail, and also on a small part of the sky. You will see what the colours and details really are like.

Could we see some details of the painting?

 

Thanks Any, doesn't sound disgusting at all. I have included some close ups, does this help?

 

And another

 

Welcome to Antiquers, @Rainbowdust !

 

That's what I thought, too.

 

It's amateur.

And here's the same type of frame not in need of restoration because it's so new:

 

From the detail of the edge, it looks like this painting may have been cut down from a somewhat larger canvas and put onto a smaller stretcher. There is primer and paint visible on the canvas edge, but the nail head is not painted over - meaning the painted canvas was attached to the current stretcher. (Not the usual sequence of mounting the canvas on the stretcher, priming, and then painting.) There also appears to be an irregularly cut edge on the canvas. So it may have been cut down to fit the frame, which may indicate a different date for frame and painting.

 

I am about in agreement with Moreotherstuff. First half of the 19th century and think European in origin. I get a bit of Danish school vibe from it but not entirely well executed.

 

I like it. I agree it's filthy. I hope it can be safely removed from the frame to check for a name, but mostly because I like the puzzle aspect of finding the artist. Do what you think is best for the piece.

I would have bought it!