Origin of this Necklace?

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  1. trip98

    trip98 Well-Known Member

    Newish lobster clasp. Found with the lot of kachinas I post awhile ago. DSC_0660.JPG
     
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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I think I see some coral there...but I don't recognize the other stones....& don't see a link to any NA tribal culture.
     
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  3. trip98

    trip98 Well-Known Member

    kk thanks maybe African? The big yellowish stones are cold to the touch. The lot was a combo of NA, African, Asian, Southwest and Western items. All jumbled to together. Taking awhile to sort it all out.
     
  4. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    The string holding it together should tell you something, is it synthetic like nylon or natural plant material? Is it he right size to have been worn by one of the kachinas, if so which one?
     
  5. trip98

    trip98 Well-Known Member

    Not
    Not kachina size, human size necklace. the yellow bead are the size of women's thumb or so.
     
  6. trip98

    trip98 Well-Known Member

    necklace packed at the moment I will check the "string" soon.
     
  7. GaleriaGila

    GaleriaGila Hola, y'all!

    How about "natural Baltic amber"?
    Googling that shows some likely suspects.
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  8. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Well.....I don't see the irregularity of natural amber; color is pretty close though.
    The larger pieces all have a distinct V-shape; flattened, and not a natural shape.
    The bends in them make me think they were cut from a flat slab of rock; if one had a flat oval slab, two cuts in a v-shape would make one of the pieces; two more v-cuts would make the next piece, and so on. I'd guess that large flat piece was a type of agate, carnelian. Cut, polish, drill holes.
    For some carnelian photos see http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...n&qpvt=carnhelian&qpvt=carnhelian&FORM=IQFRML
    My guess as to who made those pieces: either a hobbyist with rock-cutting and polishing equipment, or a more likely source would be a bead-import company, imported from almost anywhere; or imported as a complete necklace.
    One could try googling bead importers, look for stone beads or carnelian necklaces.
     
  9. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Here's a string of carnelian beads claimed to be from the "Indus Valley civilization."
    I note that some of the antique beads sold by this seller are clearly not antiques, but modern imports, who knows where they are really from.
    http://asian-antique-ganesha.blogspot.com/2009/11/old-carnelian-beads-from-indus-valley.html
    But some of these are carved or shaped beads.
    Many kinds of agate are similar in color to carnelian; though carnelian is usually considered a type of chalcedony; they are all microcrystalline quartz, I believe. India is one of the main producers of carnelian.
     
  10. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    It looks like the photo may have been taken of the back side of the necklace. I would guess that it was intended to be worn with those curve-shaped beads facing the other direction, so that they would look vaguely like claws. I'm trying to imagine it turned over...I think it would look different. But I agree that it is not Native American, only "influenced by," perhaps.
     
  11. GaleriaGila

    GaleriaGila Hola, y'all!

    Thanks, Fakesie and Taupou!
    Good to learn.
     
  12. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    That was my thought also.
     
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