Opinion on 13 colony decantur circa 18th century?

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Mario, Sep 22, 2016.

  1. Mario

    Mario Well-Known Member

    Asking for opinion on this decanter, could it possibly that old? Looks like old federal eagle with arrows and wheat. colonial1.jpg colonial1.jpg colonial1.jpg colonial2.jpg colonial3.jpg colonial4.jpg colonial5.jpg colonial6.jpg colonial7.jpg colonial8.jpg colonial9.jpg
     
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  2. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    1976 commemorative
    Can't remember if it was Pilgrim or Indiana glass who made these.
     
  3. Mario

    Mario Well-Known Member

    Wouldnt it have some kind of mark especially if it was made in '76.
     
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  4. msgood2shoe

    msgood2shoe Well-Known Member

    No, not all bicentennial items had marks to indicate that. Also many decorative items were made around that time frame, that had an Early American look.

    Wheaton Glass also made items of this kind.
     
  5. anundverkaufen

    anundverkaufen Bird Feeder

  6. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

  7. Walter Del Pellegrino

    Walter Del Pellegrino Well-Known Member

    I know very little about collecting glass except for the basics. Everyone here has given wonderful responses but very little guidance. So here is a hint for the future. Notice that seam along the bottle where the handle is located. That seam indicates that the bottle was made in a two part mold. Eighteenth century bottles were not mold-made but rather hand-blown. An indication of a hand-blown bottle would be the pontil on the base. A pontil is the scar that remains where the blow-pipe met the molten glass and was then separated.
     
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  8. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    While that is true in many cases, it doesn't answer the question of how you get a specific pattern to appear in free-blown glass. Mold blowing has been used for that purpose since at least the 4th century. If you are using a mold, mold lines might appear. There may be a difference between mold artifacts left on the glass in a mold-blown instance, as opposed to injection molded practices... that's beyond me.

    I do agree with the others that this is a bicentennial commemorative.
     
  9. msgood2shoe

    msgood2shoe Well-Known Member

    Actual, the use of glass molds in the US dates to the early 1800's, so while 18th century bottles weren't made this way, 19th century ones were.
     
  10. Mario

    Mario Well-Known Member

    This "Pitkin" flask is dated 1780-1830 and a mold was used to create it. demi 7.jpg demi 8.jpg demi 9.jpg demi 10.jpg demi 11.jpg demi 7.jpg demi 8.jpg demi 9.jpg demi 10.jpg demi 11.jpg demi 12.jpg
     
  11. Calico

    Calico Well-Known Member

    They have been mouth blowing glass into molds for centuries. Free blown bottles will have no mold seam and even some BIM bottles won't have a mold seam if it was spun in the mild before cooling.
    There are many examples of 18th century bottles with BIM embossing. The difference is how the glass was blown into the mold, the blowing of the glass into the mold by a machine came into use for commercial production in the early-to-mid 19th century.
     
  12. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    A vigorous discussion, at any rate.
     
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