Need Help Identifying Odd Vessel

Hi everyone.. been lucky enough to hang around for more than three-quarters of Century, but I am a newbie here. Been frustrated for long time trying to identify this vase(?).
Existing Conclusions...
(1) It is a 'hand-carved' dense unconfirmed material (stone, crystal, clay, etc.?)
(2) Carved 'prior' to the addition of outer glaze, unlike 'Cinnabar' process..
(3) Exhibits a 'metal-like' outer glaze that 'conducts electricity'.. approximate 1mm thickness.
(4) Base has 'visible' molten coagulated globules of flakes that appear to be copper.
(5) Extremely 'advanced patination' with several 2mm/3mm exposed areas of base material, likely due to age and/or handling.
(6) Appears to be an obscure Oriental 'Symbol' (2mm/3mm) embedded within background design on one panel.. possible Artisans Mark.
(7) NO markings on Base.
(8) Had poorly repaired crack on Lip before acquired by current owners. .
(9) NO documented opinions on 'Age' or 'Origin'.
(10) Unlike the shape of a vessel's Interior' normally following the shape of it's 'Exterior', this vessel has a centered cylindrical interior constant with the diameter of the Throat,.. with a very small amount of an unidentified solid residue at its bottom. Other than the tubular shaped hollow, the vessel is a solid structure..

I read one of the threads regarding a stone vase and a participating commenter suggested trying to insert a 'hot needle' into it's base, and if it did penetrate the base it was likely to be a 'resin'. Would someone please confirm the voracity of this experiment? I will be trying it ASAP.. lol

The Vessel is approximately 9" H x 4.5" D widest point. The Pros I have contacted over the years only agree to commit on two things.. it is old and it is beautiful craftsmanship, other than that, with all their experience and tons of reference sources, no one could find a vessel with the same set of attributes. Very frustrating! Hope someone can help me. Thank you all,, Dan

 

I am NOT the expert on this subject, but most members here will STRONGLY NOT recommend the destructive HOT NEEDLE test......However, they WILL suggest other means in helping to identify your vase!!!!! I just wanted to get that in before I went to look at your images!!! And WELCOME to ANTIQUERS, @domingo1112!!! Others will be along...this is a world-wide site, so they come and go at all hours!!
I DID take a look at your LOVELY vase....too bad for the damage, but it is still beautiful!! I'll tag a couple of members.... @Ownedbybear, @Bakersgma ???

 

I think it is a molded composite and not terribly old. It is meant to look like carved lacquer, but the wear seems to show that the color is a very thin surface treatment, and the bottom treatment looks like modern molded pieces. But if you've shown it to experts who disagree... I'm not one.

 

looks like relatively newer composite......resin type.....made to simulate carved cinnabar ..... imo

 

Hello @domingo1112 & welcome to the forum!!

I can't help but I have alerted some other members who might be able to help.

The one thing you could do to help out would be to go back & choose "full image" on your photos. That way no one has to click back & forth to see your vase.

@2manybooks
@Any Jewelry
@916Bulldogs123
@Ce BCA

 

I'm a little confused over how some experts have looked at this piece over the years and none said what it is made of. I see it as a very well carved resin or celluloid. May be molded, then carved and color added after.
Mikey

 

In my opinion, it does not look hand carved. The rough texture of the recessed background is more consistent with it being a cast product.

The base material appears to be originally a cream color, as visible on the interior view and the worn surfaces such as the child's sleeve above. This would also be consistent with a resin casting.

The finish may have been created with an application of a metallic paint (creating the conductivity).

 

Looks like moulded and coated resin to me, too.

 

and close inspection of the above photos reveal the pot marks and bubbles and dots consistent with a resin mold.....and the damage releases it from any value...

Sorry Dan, but there's really nothing here......
& the ' pro's ' you've contacted over the years.....likely didn't want to hurt your feelings...

 

I would be curious how someone tested for and confirmed "conducts electricity."

 

Didn't know if this might help with Vase composition?? OR not....

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Definitely 20th century molded resin, no doubt about it. Made to look like carved lacquer.
Looks like the original colour was ivory. Resin that is ivory coloured is also known as ivorine. It was coated, maybe to resemble dark cinnabar lacquer.

Although ivorine and similar resin pieces can have a bit of value, yours is damaged. I am sorry to say that means any value has gone.

Below is an ivorine vase, I think yours would have looked something like this originally:


https://www.etsy.com/listing/1125675541/vintage-white-cinnabar-vasehandvarced

The seller suggests it is white cinnabar, which it clearly isn't. Blobs and bubble holes all over the vase.

They have no right calling themselves Pro.

 

It is as the posters said above -- but if it's something that "sparks joy" for you, then I would display it with the damaged side placed away from view. Lots of damaged objects are still beautiful.