Need help identifying and valuing old gold trim porcelain

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  1. BigKielbasa69

    BigKielbasa69 New Member

    Y1.jpg Y2.jpg Y3.jpg L4.jpg L5.jpg L6.jpg L7.jpg Hi, i have a very old 5 pc porcelain set from my wife's grandparents who are both gone several years ago. They had a lot of money for back then.
    Each pc. has a gold brush mark, MJ and a number. The 2 candle holders are 8.5" in height and stamped La Seynie Limoges PP France. The 5 3/4" butter dish has same company stamp. The 2 bowls are Favorite Bavaria and measure 4 3/4" wide. Im not sure what kind of bowl with the hole in the middle is called? Everything is gold trimmed with a MJ brushed marking. The candle holder has a 15 fold brush mark. The bowls have a 15 and 16. I think i can read a Shaex 7.Y on the bottom of the one bowl. What do the numbers mean?
    What would be the value of this set?
     
  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    this is not a site for valuations , but we can help lead you in the right direction,,:happy:
     
  3. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    The Uno "Favorite" pieces are part of a dresser set -- powder box, hair receiver and tray. Here are the La Seynie candlesticks in pastel pink on offer on eBay with asking, not sold, price. The monogram on both has an impact on value.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/256286658984

    Debora
     
  4. BigKielbasa69

    BigKielbasa69 New Member

    Hi Debora, thanks for your reply! So your saying that big bowl with the hole is a powder box?
     
  5. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

  6. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    The Uno Bavaria mark is identified in Rontgen's book of marks as an importer's mark for Burley & Tyrrell.

    I wonder if perhaps your pieces started as blanks as the Country of origin differences makes me wonder if they started as a set.

    From Rontgen's book.

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  7. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    The company customized pieces. Here's an institutional ad advising of same.

    Debora

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  8. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

    Very pretty!
    But a "Y" monogram might be a tough sell...
     
  9. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    It's hard to figure out how these pieces came to be together to begin with. Two different makers, three different monograms. Maybe M J was a hobbyist and added the gold? Very pretty though.
    Did Burley & Co. import from France also?
    If you're planning on selling you should sell by maker and not as a set. IMHO.
    Mikey
     
  10. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Perhaps Burley & Tyrell didn't offer candlestick blanks. Agree, not a true set and an uncommon initial. A hard sell, I'd think. Have they no sentimental value?

    Debora
     
  11. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Chris has some info on his site about the company. These are just part of his info. but seem relevant. He doesn't show the UNO mark but does say the company used so many marks that he only shows a sample.

    https://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/related/usa/chicago-01/

    Burley & Tyrrell Co. (1871 until 1907)
    Business greatly expanded following the change and Burley & Tyrrell became the largest importer of china and glassware. Importing and distributing German porcelain at first, they began importing Bohemian porcelain, for example from Moritz Zdekauer, around 1880. In 1883, the retail portion of the business was sold to a nephew who ran his business under the name of Burley & Co., meaning that both companies existed side-by-side for a while.
    Burley & Co. (1884 until 1923)
    This business branch had previously started off as decoration studio and was located on Wabash Avenue. It was specialized on china decorating and monogramming and later also designed items, for example the so-called "Chicago Pitcher".

    Burley & Co. was heavily involved in china decorating from 1885 imported British Minton and distributed Haviland, Copeland-Spode and John Maddock as well as Smith-Phillips and Union Porcelain china. The company also sold various blanks to Pickard. Other areas of business included an own department for durable hotel supplies, many of which were created at the Mettlach factory of Villeroy & Boch. Burley & Co. furthermore supplied china to at least six railroads beginning in 1891 as well as the Cloverleaf Steamboat Line around 1900.

    Following the death of A.G. Burley in 1897, business of Burley & Tyrrell slowly declined. His nephew eventually decided to take over and rejoined both companies in 1907. The united Burley & Co. remained highly successful during the next years, but it was decided to sell the company to Albert Pick & Co. in 1919. The deal was complete by 1923.
     
  12. JB Miller

    JB Miller Well-Known Member

    It looks like it reads MJ 16. FY Xmas. So, MJ would have been the hobbyist painter's initials. 16 is for 1916. FY was the recipient. Xmas the occasion. The letter Y is MJ's version of an Old English letter Y. Many places imported and sold white china for decorating.

    An ad from Keramic Studio in May, 1912 for Favorite China imported by Burley & Co.
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