Featured Navajo ceremonial wedding basket or Pakistan copy?

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  1. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    I bought this basket and am wondering if anyone can tell me from photo's if this is N/A or copy made in Pakistan or somewhere else.
    It measures 13 3/4" diameter and is about 2" deep
    If more pics are needed let me know.
    Mikey
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  2. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

  3. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    Sure looks the same to me.
    This is why I joined Antiquers so many years ago!
    Thanks @Roaring20s
    Mikey
     
  4. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    Sorry to say that that looks like a copy and not an authentic one. The biggest key is the material-- and this does not look like the plants typically used in traditional NA baskets.
     
  5. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    I just happen to have one in my case at the antique mall right now:

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  6. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Most wedding baskets used by the Navajo have actually been made by Southern Paiute and Ute weavers. They are made of Rhus trilobata (squawberry sumac) using 3 bunched rods as the foundation of the coils (which can be seen between the stitches in Pottery's photo) and fine splints of sumac for the stitching. The coils are worked from right to left producing a counter clockwise spiral on the inside surface, and the rim is finished with a herringbone stitch. You can see all of these features in the one Pottery shows. A "pathway" or "doorway" is created in the design, running from the center of the basket to the rim. This pathway is used to orient the basket toward the east during rituals, and the weaver ends the last round of coiling where the path intersects the edge so there is a tactile as well as visual guide to the proper orientation. The exterior surface of the basket is usually quite well finished, although not as smooth as the interior working surface.

    The Pakistani copies are typically made using bundles of grass as the foundation of the coils, and palm fibers for stitching. They are not as carefully finished, and very often the pathway/doorway does not meet the end of the last coil at the edge.

    https://zainhomecollection.com/hand-woven-baskets/
     
  7. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    That's pretty dang close to a 'Best Answer.'
     
  8. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

  9. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    2manybooks!!! Thank you! I was curious what the opening on the weaving meant!
     
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  10. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    Thank you all for the information. It was only $15.
    So I still might make a little on it even though it's not
    Navajo.
    Mikey
     
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  11. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Unbelievably, I found this one at the Goodwill, tossed in with the common Asian baskets. It has the center plug of cotton cloth that komo mentioned, and considerable signs of use and wear -

    Navajo wedding basket front - small.jpg


    Navajo wedding basket center - small.jpg


    Navajo wedding basket rim detail - small.jpg

    Navajo wedding basket detail - small.jpg


    Navajo wedding basket reverse - small.jpg

    I should give credit for one of my primary sources for the information about materials and construction -

    Andrew Hunter Whiteford: Southwestern Indian Baskets: Their History and Their Makers. School of American Research Press, Santa Fe, New Mexico. 1988
     
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