Minton Vandyke Pair : OpShop Find

Hi Everyone

Found these 2 items today in good condition in a opshop $20. $12 for large
Can anyone help me identify if these 2 Vandyke dinnerware items are real. I can see markings on both
The larger one is approx 30+cm with lid the Minton BB indent, and L, an owl eyes looking image, an X, R
Then R4488K? In red ink

The smaller around 20 Cm length has a lid, with a spot for a spoon or something, not damaged

others indented, the markings are similar but not the same
D L BB S, Y something else, then printed marks
Q4488 .3.
Thank you
Australia
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where r u
where did you find them
what size are they..

can you go back to your post ....click edit.....and full image for the photo please.

 

Thank you, I've also added more info for what I can see

 

Austin-When You add yr Pics u can hit the 'full size' button before you add yr description & pics.

 

I love that pattern and the colors on that.

OP, you'll want your post to look like this, where you click "Insert Every Image As A" "Full Image".

 

Hello @AusInterest & welcome to the forum!!

Appears to be made by Minton & the pattern was called Vandyke.

https://www.replacements.com/china-minton-vandyke/c/299223

 

@Ownedbybear might be able to add some information.

 

According to Kovel's this mark was used ca.1841 to 1873.

The triangle-shaped mark is an English Registry mark. It tells you the date the company registered with the patent office not when the piece was made.

Your mark is for November 17, 1859.

https://www.kovels.com/marks-identification-guide/identification-help/english-registry-marks.html

 

Beautiful knowledge Bercrystal-'November 17, 1859',but you didn't tell us what exact time it was produced ?

 

It's when the company registered the design.

 

That is because I have no idea when it was produced other than it was sometime between 1859 (when it was registered) & 1873 (when Kovel's said the mark was no longer used).

I did want to say that I have no reason to doubt that these are the original pieces. There would be no reason to make this type of piece as there would not be enough demand to make it monetarily worthwhile.

 

The other impressed marks will include a symbol for date of manufacture, I think.

 

I tried to find such a reference, Wendy, but could not.

 

http://www.thepotteries.org/mark/m/...ccurs incorporated,onwards 'Mintons' was used. Might be here -- there is a table showing the date and the impressed marks.