Miniature Gourd vase - Japan vs. China - Mark & Color glaze?

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by bercrystal, Feb 28, 2015.

  1. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    This sweet little vase is only 3 3/4" tall & I thought the glaze was very intriguing. I was also amazed at how thin the porcelain is at the top.

    Is it Japanese or Chinese?

    How would you describe the glaze color? There is a hint of an aqua green color around the base as you can see the the photo of the bottom.

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    Thanks for any & all advice or opinions!!! :kiss:
     
  2. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I think it might be a Chinese red Jun vase but luckily there are some folks here that will know. If no one shows up I'll pull out some books.:bookworm:
     
  3. 'Nuff_Said

    'Nuff_Said Well-Known Member

    Chinese peach-bloom glazed double gourd. The mark on base is Kangxi, but I don't believe it's of the period.....probably Republic.

    Either way (Kangxi or Republic) it's a nice piece.
     
  4. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    Hi, this is Chinese for sure, the mark is a Kangxi mark, but the vase is later, I believe... May e it is Sang de Boeuf or something like that?
     
  5. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    Nuff_Said, you were faster and you are right of course, it is peach-bloom!
    Mat
     
  6. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    Thanks to all!!!! :kiss::kiss::kiss::kiss::kiss:

    This glaze seems to take many forms. ;) :happy:
     
  7. khl889

    khl889 Well-Known Member

    This glaze, among others, is a so-called 窑变 yaobian glaze. That means it changes character in the kiln, and the end result can vary dependng on kiln conditions, rate of cooling. etc.
     
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  8. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    I like it.
    Mat and Nuff, what makes you think that it is Republic?
    The foot rim shows quite of aging, unless it was made to look old. Also, seems like the glaze was well controlled and did not overflow to the base.
    Not sure if the mark is of Imperial quality and if the characters are drawn correctly. Maybe you should ask for an expert's opinion. Maybe it is not Kangxi but could be a period or two later.
     
  9. 'Nuff_Said

    'Nuff_Said Well-Known Member

    Always a good idea (expert consulting).

    As far as your question... IMO, I just don't see the overall superior clay quality of a piece made in the Kangxi Period (although it's very hard to evaluate items from just images on the net), but I do see a very nice constructed form, glaze as you pointed out, the underglaze blue inscription looks above average, glaze pooling and wear to base show some signs of age. So with that being said, could be 19th C. and/or probably Republic Period.
     
  10. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    Thank you again for all of the opinions & advice!!!!! It is very much appreciated!!! :kiss::kiss::kiss::kiss:

    I find this glaze very attractive & when I saw the vase it reminded me of a Catalina Pottery I purchased a few years back in their Oxblood glaze. It had the same aqua-green accents as this vase has around the edges.

    khl - I appreciate your explanation of the glaze & its properties.

    Like I said earlier I am also amazed at how thin the pottery is on this vase. It only weighs 1.5 ozs.

    I am planning on getting it listed later today, so we'll see what the final price will be. I am quite certain it is more than I paid, but how much is the question. ;)
     
  11. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    If not wrong the thin porcelain is called eggshell. The Chinese buyers pretty much know what they are looking for and some of them will recognize the right period of the vase. If I were you I would not listed before I am sure if that is Republic, earlier or Kangxi. If from the last one, the piece would be Imperial and although small in size that would make it much more valuable.
     
  12. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    If not wrong the thin porcelain is called eggshell. The Chinese buyers pretty much know what they are looking for and some of them will recognize the right period of the vase. If I were you I would not listed before I am sure if that is Republic, earlier or Kangxi. If from the last one, the piece would be Imperial and although small in size that would make it much more valuable.

    It is not quite as thin as eggshell, but much thinner than one would think a piece this small could be & survive the process.

    As far as waiting to get it evaluated, I would not have a clue as to anyone I could talk to or anywhere I could go here in Columbia, SC where I could get the advice I needed. Considering the small amount I have invested I will proceed as planned & if the buyer ends up making more on the vase than that is the way it will be. I have never had a problem selling to other dealers. I figure if they think they can get more for an item, as long as I get what I want for the item, than may the force be with them. :p :shame:
     
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  13. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    I see what you saying. But you have to be careful with some items. You don't want to sell a period Chenghua chicken cup for $200 even if you paid $3. You will even be sorry if you sell it for $200000.
    Hope you do good with this sale.
     
  14. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    I appreciate you looking out for me. Maybe since I do have so little invested I'll just put it up on the shelf for a while & mull it over in my brain. :happy:
     
  15. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    Try
    http://www.chinese-antique-porcelain.com/index.html
    Just register and post on the board.
    Peter is the admin, a very good expert in Chinese ceramics. Even he is not quite sure most of the time when there is a question about monochrome porcelain but he will be able to tell the approx. period by the way the mark is drawn.
     
  16. 'Nuff_Said

    'Nuff_Said Well-Known Member

    Peggy,

    You and I both know if you list this vase in the correct category, showing good images of the item and base, using just a title somewhat similar to "Small Antique Chinese Double-Gourd Vase", the buyers who collect these items will find it and bid accordingly...period! Be it a $2 piece, $20, $200, $2K, $20K, $200K or $2M piece, they will bid.

    If you feel as if the information provided to you by myself, Mat or KHL is not to your liking or is not accurate, you can always contact an auction house in your area such as Charlton Hall Galleries which is located in West Columbia, SC. that we have personally been dealing with for a number of years. Please ask for Carroll Weston and she can and will guide you in the right direction on having your item evaluated by and expert....in-hand.

    Good luck with it whatever you decide to do.
     
  17. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    Thank you both for your advice & guidance!! :kiss:

    I will mull all of this over for a few days just to be sure there are no regrets in my future.
     
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