Featured Ming jar?

Could this be a ming jar?

 

Very nice Hunt-This should be interesting,yes ?

 

Fer Shure, Bosko...I'm gonna learn a lot with this one!

 

yes i am very curious what people are going to say about this one. The experts are always saying don't trust a label and that's why i ask the question. The shop i bought it from didn't think it was real but a wanli style jar. But the label clearly says Jiajing so i was suprized and took a gamble.

 

What does the writing under "Refuge" say - it is out of focus in the photo. The "Jiajing" label looks like someone's later addition, and not entirely trustworthy.

 

That label is from another retailer i presume but it is not the shop i bought from.

 

The jar itself is made up of two pieces top and bottom wit a seam.

 

Refuge was an antiques store in Diepenveen (Netherlands).
Mentioned here https://onderdeboompjes.nl/veiling/7/categorie/4?p=2&items_per_page=75 An item sold on that site, was bought from Refuge in 1976. Another site also mentions Refuge with a date in the 70's. And I can't find any recent info on Refuge (except for contact details of people with that name living in Diepenveen , so a good indication that your jar wasn't made in China last week

 

here some more photo's

 

Thank's for the great detective work and i don't know how you do but you always find all the info.

 

Wow-I like those 2019 prices (if I was a Buyer !).

 

Why 2019? here is a bowl for a pretty penny that has the sam rim damage as on my jar.

 

Hunt-Just for fun,what would you do with 62K Pounds ?

 

It is very tempting, but i would realy not know what to do with that amount of mony. But to be honest i rather would keep the jar because if it is real it is extreme rare and i will never find another any time soon and certainly not for the money i paid. All my other items i listed on this forum have sold maybe sadly. But i had no conextion with them. But every since i was 10 years old i have been facinated by old chinese porcelain.

 

Priceless to you,is the best pay-off of them all !

 

why is the base of some porcelain clean and bright, while others are pot marked , with an unfinished look..?

 

You could give it to me, as payment for the detective work

 

I see the dirt & roughness but not seeing the age. It’s nice, yet I wouldn’t think Ming. Then again I wish I had a dime for all the times I’ve been wrong. Hopefully others will still chime in. That face…

 

I think repro and maybe not even Chinese painted. The people don’t look at all like how the Chinese painted them. They look cartoon like to me and like a western interpretation. The lady reminds me of Marge Simpson. The blue is very watery in many places, that doesn’t look right. Not a Chinese form I recognize off the top of my head, though that doesn’t mean it isn’t. I’d wonder if it was a Delft piece. Or if it was Chinese made maybe just a factory making for Pier 1 type stores that weren’t trying to actually replicate a realistic look to fool anymore. Does not look old to me. Nice looking decor but for what it’s worth I don’t think it’s legit. I hope I’m wrong.

I bought a piece with the sticker of an obscure Japanese or Korean antique dealer on it. It was a dealer that serious collectors and dealers buying good Chinese things in the 60’s-80’s might recognize. Well studied folks in the niche basically, not the likes of me. So when I figured out who the sticker represented it made it seem really exciting and possibly legit. If there was a Spink, Marchant, CT Loo sticker I might be more skeptical but this lesser known dealer I got excited about. Turned out to be a total fake. The sticker looked old and convincing. Those fuckers are really good. They are faking all kinds of stickers. They are even getting real ones off cheap objects and putting them on good fakes. Fuckers

 

I know what you mean, the only thing that bugs me about the jar are the figures but do these look like chinese people? https://www.christies.com/lot/a-very-rare-blue-and-white-faceted-6159443/?intObjectID=6159443&lid=1

https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auc...mall-and-rare-blue-and-white-boys-jar-jiajing

https://www.roots.gov.sg/Collection-Landing/listing/1135808