Metal Inlaid Vase? Is this considered Bidri ware?

Discussion in 'Metalware' started by laura9797, Aug 7, 2021.

  1. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    I know it isn't ancient - or even old and likely from India. Trying to figure out the decor on this really large vase. Is it considered Bidri ware? Approx. height 15.5 inches. image0.jpeg image2.jpeg image4.jpeg image6.jpeg image9.jpeg
    Thank you for looking.
     
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  2. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Leaves, flowers & butterflies?? At least that's what I'm seeing....
     
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  3. Ce BCA

    Ce BCA Well-Known Member

    It's not traditional bidri ware, but the process was likely similar. Damascene work is the catch-all phrase for inlaying metal into metal. I don't recognise this style, but it looks nice. Is it brass and copper, or is the red something else?
     
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  4. verybrad

    verybrad Well-Known Member

    This looks more like deposit plating. Brass to copper? .... unless I am just totally seeing this wrong.
     
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  5. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    I honestly am not sure what mixed metals I am dealing with - it is thin like copper and when I first saw it, I immediately thought it was copper. I would think the floral motif is brass. It didn't look like deposit plating to me but this is piece is not anything I am familiar with.
     
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  6. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Can you feel any incision around the brass colored design? It looks like it might be a selective/resist patination technique rather than inlay. Perhaps @Hollyblue might recognize the method?
     
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  7. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    It's too hard to see how it was done,it depends on the base metal.A few spots look like acid etching a plated material.It is not Bidri ware since it is a white metal of mostly zinc with a little copper and lead with silver inlay.
     
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  8. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    that is interesting! When I looked at it under a loop, I told my husband that it reminded me of acid etched glass. Slightly raised - you can feel it. Is there a technical name or term for that? Thank you!
     
  9. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    Here are a few more up close images - I took with somewhat raking light. image0.jpeg image1.jpeg image4.jpeg image5_1.jpeg
     
  10. Ce BCA

    Ce BCA Well-Known Member

    That does look like acid etch or deposit electrolosis. Is the red lacquer then?
     
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  11. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Just for clarification, bidri is made from a zinc alloy, as Hollyblue said, with silver inlay. It is treated with a patination process that turns the zinc base black, but does not affect the silver. The contrast of the black background and the bright polished silver is the distinctive feature of bidriware.

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  12. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    I will have to look up the difference between deposit electrolosis and deposit plating as VeryBrad mentioned. If it is red lacquer - it was applied pretty thin or else there is more age this piece then I originally thought. I appreciate everyone's help and education. I am not familiar with 'metalware' and do not tend to collect it unless it is plique a jour or champleve enamel, which I love.
     
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