Featured Matte Green Frog Planter?

Hi;

My frog planter has a satin matte finish and has no markings. He measures roughly 3" H x 4" W. I was wondering if it is an unmarked Van Briggle?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Try comparing to a: Weller Coppertone frog. 'Tis close but not positive. The color is also close to Weller's Hobart turquoise/blue.

 

Thank you for the information. I will give it a shot.

 

Not unusual for Weller to be unmarked and you'd be surprised how often colors and glazes cross from line to line. I have a small, double dog Muskota flower frog in Hobart blue!

 

I'm noticing that. Very interesting. They make some fabulous pieces.

 

Good eye INH - that would be my guess.

I'm 95% sure it is an unmarked Weller piece. If I could hold it in my hands I'd be certain if it is or not. That's the drawback of viewing photos.

 

This is from Huxford's Weller Pottery book. It shows frog and lotus from the Novelty Line, it says unmarked. In what seems a different color.

Yours looks similar though the base of yours doesn't seem quite as thick. Also, when looking at the bottom, the notch on the lily doesn't seem as deeply notched as some I've seen elsewhere online. No idea if that means anything.

Perhaps someone more familiar with it will know but is that base right? Maybe it's just me but then I don't collect Weller.

 

From eBay, this one is listed as Coppertone & has the flatter base: https://www.ebay.com/itm/124330378590?hash=item1cf2ab055e:g:RX0AAOSw-TlfTtk6

this one also from eBay but listed as Novelty & has the more raised base: https://www.ebay.com/itm/194345203609?hash=item2d3fe07799:g:lvkAAOSwR2phN~Jj

The differences in the 'notch' doesn't bother me at all because Weller often 'crossed-over' between lines with slightly different sizes & minor adjustments & various glazes that seem to belong to a different line.

EastCoast's piece just screams: Hobart turquoise.

 

Sounds good

 

Hi. IMHO, I believe the one asked about unfortunately is a Repro - there have been a number of these appearing at auction lately. I'm basing this on having bought and sold a bunch of these (some of my photos are below), and on the clay color, base details (including the bottom hole size) and frog details (look at the details of the folded leg and the bulging eyes in the photos below of Weller ones). These do come from Weller in a variety of colors as pointed out, and the Orange "Novelty" line one below is also an authentic one but not marked Weller. - Joe

 

I've had a long look for info on fakes in Weller Coppertone/Novelty lines.

This article only mentions knowledge of a fan shaped and a tall vase being faked: https://www.antiquetrader.com/colle...collectors#gid=ci0285cb9c80002548&pid=weller1

This article shows the details on the fake frogs and they are obviously badly faked: https://www.realorrepro.com/article/Weller-Coppertone-copy-now-in-market

I'm still sticking with 95% positive that this is real but done in a Hobart finish, but I do wish I could feel it in my own hands.

 

Yes I surely agree about seeing it in person. Some fakes just came up lately at auction along with the real ones- here are the links. There are also some "Weller-like" Pin-Trays in the same auction. I've some other Weller fakes on ebay occasionally also.

REAL ONES:
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/109118407_weller-froglotus-novelty-vase
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/109118408_weller-froglotus-novelty-vase

FAKES:
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/109118410_5-pottery-frogs-manner-of-weller

 

Thank you for the links Joe.

Just thought I'd show my dog Weller Muskota flower frog done in a Hobart finish:

 

I believe so.

 

Thank you, some great information.

 

Gorgeous piece.

 

This gloss green one has a made in Japan mark, just as an example.

http://www.antiques.com/classified/...-on-Lily-Pad--Weller-Coppertone-Copy--Nice--#

 

Still not totally convinced (but now leaning more that direction) that EastCoast's item is a fake for two reasons:

1) the satin matte finish, so like the Hobart finishes.

2) size - OP's item is listed as 3" high by 4" wide. Every listing for the frog/lotus planter, where sizes are mentioned, for both real & fake, are significantly larger at 4.5" X 4.5" X 4".

Comparing notches, holes and details on 2 different size planters might not be exactly apples to oranges.

I think my dog/frog shows that Weller did some odd cross-over things. Muskota started in 1915 and Hobart in the 1920s. My Muskota finished dogs are much larger and not a flower frog, than my Hobart glazed one.

 

Nice! I love the Muskota line also.