Looking for help with antique British gold hallmark

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by Rupert, Oct 2, 2022.

  1. Rupert

    Rupert New Member

    Hi,
    I wonder if anyone could help me identify the hallmark for this British gold ring, please ?

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    This is a ring with a seal (broken, unfortunately) : motto "fortem posce animum". They are not arms, I don't think; maybe military ? A lion holding an axe (facing the wrong way ??). I can't figure out what is at the bottom :
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  2. Ce BCA

    Ce BCA Well-Known Member

    London assay office, 18 carat gold, looks like 1955 for the date letter.
     
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  3. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Agreed on that. It's a seal ring, try pressing it in some blu tack so see it the right way round. Bottom is a garter belt.
     
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  4. Rupert

    Rupert New Member

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  5. daveydempsey

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  6. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Crown for gold, 18 for purity, leopard head for London, U for the date.
     
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  7. Rupert

    Rupert New Member

    "Leopard's head" ?
    You've got a good sight. Well, I suppose your experience tells you the right answer here. Thanks.
     
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  8. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Given the condition of the seal, and that it's a real seal I have to wonder if it's not older than the ring by rather a lot. The seal may well have been broken when set into the ring. Somebody cared and valued that seal. Maybe the original ring just plain wore through due to old age.
     
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  9. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    As in Order of the Garter.

    It would not be unusual for an intaglio set in a signet ring to become cracked, but the edges of the fracture here look very smooth to me. Wondering if it is a glass copy of a stone original that is itself cracked.
     
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  10. Rupert

    Rupert New Member

    I'm not an expert, so that is why I came here for help.
    However, the shape of the "U" does make me hesitate between 1815 and 1955.
     
  11. Rupert

    Rupert New Member

    The seal itself is broken.
     
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  12. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Clearly 1955.
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  13. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Yup, 1955. No duty head for one thing. And as others say, the seal may well be older.
     
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  14. Rupert

    Rupert New Member

    Thanks a lot for confirming.
     
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  15. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    As for the motto, it is the start of a quotation from Juvenal:

    fortem posce animum mortis terrore carentem, qui spatium vitæ extremum inter munera ponat Naturæ

    It is the motto of the Fiennes family, but this lion guardant with an axe is not their device.



     
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  16. Rupert

    Rupert New Member

    Yes, also other families.

    Is the axe facing backwards a sign of anything ? Looks strange to me ...
     
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  17. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Google images for 'armorial lion axe'.

    Yes, having the blade toward the beast does seem to be atypical, as does the attitude of the lion being guardant. Others seem to show the lion prepared to use the axe on others, looking at it & blade turned outward. Must all have significance, but I am no herald.
     
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