Looking for Glass Manufacturer - Bud Vase with Silver Base

Hello everyone! I've got this bud vase that I'm trying to pin down regarding date and glass manufacturer. The glass portion is 7 1/4" long and 1 3/4" across the top. It is yellow with white streaks. I'm not sure of the right term for this (striation?). It doesn't fit into the base very well. I know the base was made by E. G. Webster and Son of New York. Since it's not marked sterling can I assume it's silver plate? The firm was in business from 1860 to 1928 when it was absorbed into International Silver. Is there anyway to pin that time frame down a little better? I'm having trouble finding many examples of their work. I'm wondering if the base and glass are from two different time periods. Thanks for whatever help you can provide.
Don

 

They used the W in star on spider's web for sterling too, but you are correct that if there is no "sterling" it is plated (at best.) You're sure there is no tiny "sterling 925/1000" hiding in the design anywhere?

 

Really pretty!
Okay, I can't resist... if the base had gotten separated, I might be wondering if it's a car vase!

Edit - I'll go to my room now...

 

Eep!

 

I just checked my references (both hard copy and online) and have not found anything that ascribes dates of use to any of Webster's various marks, Don. Sorry.

You might want to try cleaning it up - gently of course. If I had not seen the spider web I would have thought it was just base metal of some kind.

 

Coward that I am, I was too afraid to mention the resemblance to a car vase but don't think it didn't cross my mind!

Bakersgma - I'll try a gentle cleaning and see what comes up.

Don

 

Vase looks Bohemian/Austrian and I've totally forgotten which maker I'm trying to remember, damnit! I'd think very late 19th/early 20th.

 

Schneider?
That would be French though

 

No. Bother!

 

OBB

Are you thinking Ruckl? Welz?

I have seen quite a few of those Yellow pieces with painted designs (Not this shape mind you) And darned if I recall an attribution.

 

And upon further review, I wonder if this piece had a top collar as well.

 

It might be Welz. I am going to cross post this

 

I have no help on the maker of the trumpet glass. I may have some help on dating this piece. According to a few sites E.G. Webster went under the names Webster Mfg. Co. from 1859 to 1873; E.G. Webster & Bros. from 1873 to 1886 and under the name of E. G. Webster & Son from 1886 to 1928. International Silver took over in 1928. The Webster trademarks were used until 1961. In 1961 the name was changed to Webster-Wilcox.

To back up and add to the above, Cheryl (dragonflywink) on the Silver Salon forum said:

"Turner attributes the W-in-star on spiderweb to E.G.Webster & Son for both sterling and silver plate. Oddly, he shows the "& Son" as in business from 1883-1923 under sterling manufacturers (the mark shown also says "STERLING 925/1000") and 1886-1923 under electroplate, with the original E.G.Webster starting up in 1859."

I'm not sure, probably not, if the above is insinuating the spider mark was used when the company was E.G. Webster & Son???
Scroll down to the 5th post:
http://www.smpub.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001532.html

Cheryl (dragonflywink) may pop in on this thread.

On the 925-1000 marks site, the spider web is included in the marks used under the E.G. Webster & Son marks:
http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate_W2.html

http://silverandsilverplate.blogspot.com/2010/04/little-bowl.html

--- Susan

 

One of the glass gurus is thinking the following

Given the apparent quality, could very well be made for Moser (Most likely executed by Harrach) ca 1880's to 1890's

 

Okay, I'm popping in - can't add much, except to say that if it fits reasonably well, the base and insert are most likely original to each other, and though it's rather subdued compared to the more over-the-top Victorian era American silverplate, the dating should be pretty firmly 1880s-90s, the rim looks nicely finished and see no reason that it would have had a metal collar and it's actually unlikely. The manufacturers rarely noted much about the glass, and if they did, it was usually 'imported' or specifically noted as 'Bohemian', where most came from - will run through a few catalogs and books in a bit, don't have any Webster catalogs, but sometimes the same glassware will show up in some other piece, a long shot really, but can probably at least find something along similar lines...

~Cheryl

 

Cheryl,

I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you about the collar. You can clearly see in the first 2 pictures there was something on the top.

 

Perhaps not a collar, but gilt

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Boh...047979?hash=item2ee5643fab:g:XcEAAOSw9N1VpWMl

 

Have I told you folks how wonderful you are lately?! I checked the vase and there was indeed something around the top. I looked at it with my loupe and it does appear there was gold paint at one point. There are still tiny little specks caught in the glass. I don't know why I didn't notice it myself. As the time frame for both parts appears to be about the same I'm feeling better about them as a match. Again thanks for all your help!
Don

 

Gilding would have been typical, a silverplate mount wouldn't have been, and one so wide would have been especially awkward...

Ran through a few references and pulled a few somewhat similar pieces, not much help on the glass, the Meriden catalogs never even mention it, the Tufts doesn't note it on the vases, but refers to similar glass in other pieces as, 'decorated', 'decorated imported', or 'decorated Bohemian' - the Tufts clip is awful, they even mention that their salesmen have better illustrations.

Meriden Britannia, 1883:


Meriden Britannia, 1886:


James W. Tufts, 1896:


~Cheryl

 

Welz! yes, that was it.