Featured Jasper ? Brooch

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by KSW, Jul 19, 2019.

  1. KSW

    KSW Well-Known Member

    Jasper is a wild guess- what do you think please?
    Definitely stone as cold. Slightly ordinary looking brown stone although it does fluoresce under UV on the lighter areas around the edge.
    Mount is silver- haven’t found a hallmark yet!. Long pin and c clasp - early 20th c?
    Thanks :)
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  2. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    If it was round, and the right size, I might suggest operculum, similar to this ring:
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  3. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Could be Florida fossil walrus tusk,just a guess and it doesn't look like jasper.
     
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  4. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The Victorians liked bulls eye agates set as jewellery, as well as other stones they found pretty or unusual. They also liked fossils & I agree that is what this appears to be, although I am not sure fossil what. I was thinking maybe a slice of crinoid stem, but not a good match.

    Here are an agate & a slice of fossil coral:

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  5. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

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  6. KSW

    KSW Well-Known Member

    Looking at some of the older specimens I suspect you could be right and that it's Blue John as it has similar characteristics. Would also explain why the victorians put a boring brown pebble in a silver mount!
     
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  7. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

  8. KSW

    KSW Well-Known Member

    Now not so sure as there's no purple with a light shining through......
     
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  9. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    It's smooth, but not glossy. What does it feel like against the teeth? There's just something about the way the shades of brown are arranged that suggests a biologic rather than a geologic process at work. In some ways it looks like a type of shell that was occasionally used for cameos, just not quite.

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  10. KSW

    KSW Well-Known Member

    It's cold like stone and chinks against my teeth like stone. TBH there are a lot of brown pebbles around Gloucestershire that look very similar but sense tells me you wouldn't go to the effort of putting one of those in a silver mount!.
    Doesn't feel like shell as heavy too but could be a fossilised something!.
     
  11. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

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  12. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Ok, but is it translucent with the light behind?:cyclops:
     
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  13. KSW

    KSW Well-Known Member

    Yes apart from the very centre.
     
  14. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Blue John can be brown:jawdrop:
    From here:
    https://www.avantijewellers.co.uk/about-derbyshire-blue-john-i56
    "Blue John is renowned for its banding stripes but it can vary greatly from very dark blues, to purples to yellow, white and even brown. Blue john is a crystallised formation and therefore sometimes marks can also be seen on the surface of the stone"

    What leads me towards it is:
    The cristalline texture of the lightest bands on the outer parts.(BJ is a crystalised feldspar) I did some work on your pics to enlight these:
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    The slight fluorescence under black light.(BJ is fluorite)
    The scuffed surfaces. (BJ is 4 on the Mohs scale)
    The Victorian era, British location of KSW (if I remember well:bucktooth:).

    @KSW, could you try a scratch test on back,
    using either a glass shard or a knife blade as this useful list says:
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    Impatient to see your update ;):)
     
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  15. KSW

    KSW Well-Known Member

  16. KSW

    KSW Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I’m just nipping out!. I’ll do it as soon as I get home but your enhanced photo definitely has a purple hue to the centre. Thanks for your interest :kiss:
    P.s yes I’m in the UK
     
  17. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Nice!!! Thanks :kiss:
    The purple hue on my modified pics isn't strongly reliable... a pale whitish jadeite stone can show emerald green when the eye can't see it!
    Jade buyers on internet... BEWARE!:facepalm::joyful:
    I worked your pics to diminish the orange and show the bands better:
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  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    An interesting puzzle for us, K.:)
    Blue John, although it is a form of fluorite, doesn't always fluoresce. It seems a lot of it doesn't. (I just wish stones would be consistent:rolleyes: )

    Here is some info on how to recognize stones from different veins:
    http://www.bluejohnstone.co.uk/blue-john-veins.htm
     
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  19. KSW

    KSW Well-Known Member

    Ok, so using my very *professional* Mohs testing I can tell you that
    - a fingernail or wooden toothpick- no mark at all.
    - the corner of a copper plate (see previous thread about photographic plates:hilarious:) made a small copper coloured mark but didn’t really go below the surface.
    - stainless steel skewer made a proper scratch.
    Does that help?
     
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  20. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Testing is testing, if you don't have pro equipment, the usual objects in the list above give a good clue for the hardness of your stone:)

    Your test situe it between 3 and 6.5 on Mohs scale which is consistent with the 4 range of BJ;)
    Jasper is in the 6.5 / 7 range, and would not be scratched by your skewer!
    Another useful list of jewellery stones classified by their Mohs scale range:):

    https://www.gemsociety.org/article/select-gems-ordered-mohs-hardness/
     
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