Featured Jade paperweight - antique or not

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by KikoBlueEyes, Dec 29, 2018.

  1. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    This jade paperweight joined my miscellaneous oddments today by virtue of an online auction. It is 3 3/4 inch long and 2 1/2 wide and 1 1/4 high. It was carved from one piece of grayish-greenish jade with some brown spots. What may not be obvious from the photos is that it is highly polished. I believe the subject is a coiled dragon. The entire surface is carved including the flat bottom. My question for you, my friends, is it an antique? It was advertised as such in the auction and it had a tag - Rosenstein Antiques. IMG_1557 (1) (Small).jpg IMG_1561 (Small).jpg IMG_1558 (Small).jpg IMG_1549 (1) (Small).jpg IMG_1550 (1) (Small).jpg
     
  2. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    No one can give an age from a photo or how it was carved.There is something odd in the bottom photo around the 2 holes on the left and something just left of the holes.
     
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  3. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Holly. Thanks for the insights. I was thinking that jade carving had periods or style and subject matter. I once went to a Chinese Jade exhibit at the Bowers Museum in Santa Ana California and that seemed to be the case on the large scale. The odd bit is some left over glue from the scotch tape. I cleaned it.
     
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  4. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Whether it is old or newer, it seems to be nicely carved.

    I do not see a dragon.
    I see a squid or octopus.

    Tenacles?
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  5. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Now that's interesting. I hadn't noticed those. I was thinking endless coils.
     
  6. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    It's a dragon,the head is under the turtles,not sure what the tentacles belong to....... looked it up, it's a Jiaolong dragon.
     
  7. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    There's a turtle?
    And a dragon?
    Are you two celebrating New Years a little early? ;):)
     
  8. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Jiaolong dragon. I'll have to look that up! Thanks.
     
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  9. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I did the same.
    I think it is Panlong the coiling dragon. Both Jialong and Panlong are water dragons.
     
  10. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I still can't see a dragon.
    Can you point out its head?
     
  11. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    dragon head.jpg
    The cats were helping. Sorry it took a while
     
  12. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    The "turtle" is on top of the nose and right eye,toward the left of the turtles head is a "fin" on top of the dragon's head.Also a beard under the dragon's chin.
     
  13. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Panlong. More new stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  14. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Good for the kitties. They need entertainment.

    Okay. Took a while, but I think I see what you are talking about.

    Not sure that is a turtle
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    Have to say there is a lot going on in this piece.
    Not sure a newer piece of carved jade would have so much work involved.
     
  15. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    That's the problem with photos,it could have easily been carved with a CNC machine.Without having it in hand no one can see the how holes were drilled,are there tooling marks visible and if it is very well polished it sounds more like diamond polishing and wasn't common until the 1980's.

    Example of the detail a machine can make. https://www.china-cncrouterlaser.co...e-stone-carving-router-machine-pd6317385.html
     
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  16. ALittleBit

    ALittleBit ALittleBit

    If my lot helped, it would take days !
     
  17. Lecollectionneur

    Lecollectionneur Well-Known Member

    For me it's the same way, actual carvings are a lot more complicated than ancient ones which take a lot of knowledge only to choose the symbolism of the stone after carving.
    In my opinion, looking partially at the details on that picture at left it's a nice paperweight made in second part of the 20th century and after, you can search signs of wear on the under part, it's the unique thing you can't really copy when controlled with a good magnifier(we can write hundreds of pages about that question especially on glass…).
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  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is gorgeous, Kiko. Just to be sure, have you tested the hardness with a gem tester?
    I agree. The antique ones often have a smooth feel, and some signs of wear.
     
  19. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Holly. Thanks for this information. I will look for tool marks. The high grade of polish seemed strange to me too. I have seen a lot of carved jade, albeit in a museum setting and this seemed unusually silky that's why I pointed it out. Kiko
     
  20. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    :cat::cat::cat::cat::cat::cat::cat::cat::cat::cat::hilarious:
     
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