Featured ID help. Native American pottery? Mississippian? Something else?

I picked these up today. They were marked as Native American, and my feeling is they are old, but other than that, I just don’t know enough to identify them positively. There are a couple dings and chips that seem to show light colored flecks in the clay, so I think they are shell tempered pottery.

Bowl- approx 10” in diameter, 3-3/4” tall. It feels fairly light for its size. It is decorated with random stipples and inscribed lines.





Pot- about 5-1/2” in diameter and just under 6” high. The walls are noticeably thicker than the bowl, with a reddish applied design.








Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

not anything I'm aware of...!..

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The bowl's color and clay look like an ancient style. But the shape, patina, and wear on the bottom do not look actually ancient (to me). Perhaps it's a modern 'homage' to an ancient pottery tradition.

The pot looks Central American and strikes me similarly: it wants to be old but it does not have the evidence of wear I would expect on something centuries old.

 

Ditto-Ancient potters had the skills and techniques to craft items every bit as polished as more modern throwers.When you look at a so-called great 'primitive' piece-the stippling,shaping and balance when made by a masterful artist is as sublimely done as a modern virtuoso.
Cruder could mean it was executed by someone who admired old pieces and was trying to learn how they were done.
Check these pieces (which from a quick read,i think actually are old/ancient).
PS-I'm no pottery expert,just a fan of all types of art.

 

Sorry, I can't say anything for certain. The designs on the bowl look similar to Mississippian pieces but, like Potteryplease, I get the feeling they are not quite right.

 

Thank you for your input everyone. I had wondered if the roughness, especially on the bowl was intentional.

I picked up a couple of Santo Domingo (mid twentieth century) pieces from the same estate. The rest of the collection which I passed on was relatively modern southwestern signed pieces.

I’ll keep digging on these, but consider them experimental archaeology for now.

 

One of my concerns is that I believe fakes have been and are being made of Mississippian pottery.