How about this basket?

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  1. Jeff Drum

    Jeff Drum Well-Known Member

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  2. Boland

    Boland Well-Known Member

    Not so sure about yours. But I still think that the first basket posted by Stracci is African.
     
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  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    not 1st Nations....... imo
     
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  4. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    I've seen similar from Panama. But not at all anything (baskets) I know anything (baskets) about.

    Debora
     
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  5. Firemandk

    Firemandk Well-Known Member

    Reminds me of something a cobra would pop it's head out of ....
     
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  6. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Although similar in appearance, I don't believe this one is Tohono O'odham. Wrong colors, for one thing. The stitches on Tohono O'odham baskets are usually light colored yucca and black devil's claw. The ticking (alternating colors) on the lid rim of yours is also not typical for Tohono O'odham.

    Perhaps @Taupou can recognize the materials of this one, which might point to a particular region.
     
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  7. Jeff Drum

    Jeff Drum Well-Known Member

    This is why I just don't get baskets. Construction and materials look the same to me, but I'm probably looking at the wrong things. Other than color (3 instead of 2), larger size, and more wear, these look so similar to me.
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  8. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Coiled baskets are often difficult to distinguish. Many cultures use basically the same technique, so it comes down to identifying the materials more than the design. I will try to articulate some of the things I am seeing. On stracci's basket, which I think is Tohono O'odham, the stitches are very smooth and even. You can see a different striated texture on the black stitches, indicating the use of a different material which would be the devil's claw. Yucca and devil's claw are the usual materials used in Tohono O'odham baskets.

    On your basket, the material appears coarser, and more easily frayed. I cannot see differences in the texture that would indicate a different material has been used for the colored stitches. Rather, it looks like the same material has been dyed to produce the brown and pink colors.

    The shape of the lids are also different. The lids on Tohono O'odham baskets are typically flat, (sometimes with a central knob for a handle), with a lip that fits inside the body of the basket. Yours fits onto the outside of the basket mouth. This is a typical style for African basketry from the southern areas of the continent, although I am not sure that is where yours came from. Attaching the lid with a separate cord is another distinguishing feature.

    I would be interested in seeing a view of the open mouth of your basket, to see how the rim is finished, and a close-up of the attachment cord. The materials on yours look closer to palm fibers of some sort. That is why I tagged Taupou, who is better at recognizing that material.
     
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  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    they do, don't they !
     
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