Help With Signture & Location On Antique Oil - ABEL?

Discussion in 'Art' started by kardinalisimo, Jul 2, 2014.

  1. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    The last name looks like Abel or possibly Abels. Not sure of the first initial - F, J?
    Maybe if someone help with the location it will be easier to figure the artist.
    The piece was recently restored but that is all I know.
    Also, any guess on the age?
    Thanks
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  2. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    It looks Dutch, vaguely.
     
  3. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Looks like your basic genre painting. The signature may not even have been a real person.
     
  4. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    Not sure what do you mean by basic genre painting? Does a building by the water with boats and people necessarily mean that it is mass produced/ factory painting?
    By the way, I found some German writings on the back. There may be more but I don't want to tear the whole backing paper. The first word is fully visible, not sure about the second, could be partly covered by the patch. Cannot make them out.

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  5. verybrad

    verybrad Well-Known Member

    Looks like the second word there might be Amsterdam.
     
  6. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    It looks like that to me too. To me it looks like a rather generic landscape/cityscape painting. The artist would have painted this from life, and then sold it as a tourist souvenir most likely. A genre painting is a scene of daily life.
     
  7. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the Amsterdam suggestion. I will try to take a better photo of the first word. I suspect it is the name of the place.
    Surely the piece could be a tourist one. But I am afraid I will have to disagree that there is a straight relation between an everyday scene and a painting being made by street corner artist. There are tons of examples of everyday life scenes made by famous painters. Otherwise, according to that rule, a piece has to have an unique subject to be made by a listed or non-tourist artist.
     
  8. Claudia Harris

    Claudia Harris Active Member

    Wonder if it could be Jacob Abels. He was an artist and was from Amsterdam. Google and see what you think. Claudia
     
  9. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    Does not seem to match Jacob Abels style but I will try to search more of his work.
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  10. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Take some tissue paper and a soft-lead pencil and trace over the letters -- don't try to decipher while you're doing the tracing. Then, look at the tracing and see if you can make out part of the word(s).
     
  11. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Looks like Jenkmankat / Jenkmanket / Jenkmarckat / Jenkmarcket -- None of which lead to anything... :facepalm:
     
  12. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    The tissue trick would not work. The writing is too dark. The picture is enhanced.
    The last letters looks like 'in', so, so far J...... In Amsterdam.
    I've tried many variations but nothing to make sense. The letter before the last 't' is a real puzzle to me. Not that the rest are not.
     
  13. 42Skeezix

    42Skeezix Moderator Moderator

    Looks like Jenkmankat / Jenkmanket / Jenkmarckat / Jenkmarcket -- None of which lead to anything...

    I was seeing junkmarket but I bet that's not it.:)
     
  14. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    Does this rendition help? It looks to me like the first letter could be a "J" or an "F" maybe.

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    I haven't been to Amsterdam, but saw photos on the web of buildings and arched bridges that look a lot like the ones in the painting.
     
  15. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    Either J or F but not enough to decipher the rest. I am thinking if it reads " something in Amsterdam" it would make sense to be the name of the place or the building.
     
  16. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    I was thinking the same thing. I tried looking up various towers in Amsterdam, but nada.
     
  17. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    I was thinking, maybe it reads. ' Fischmarkt In Amsterdam' . If so, it would be in German because in Dutch it would be 'Vismarkt'.
    But they have different dialects in the Netherlands, maybe some of them have more German words. Or maybe the artist was from Germany or German speaking country. Or someone else but the artist wrote the text....
     
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