Help identifying 2 civil war swords.

I got these at an estate and they do not have handles. The Calvary sword is etched with US and Eagle and flag on other. Can't make out marks and both are marked on tang under where handle was. Also not sure if separate scabbard or belongs to sword stamped GERMANY.

 

the scabbard belongs to a Knights of Columbus sword....or some similar fraternal organization..

 

The leather one you mean right. Cause sword was in metal one.

 

that scabbard holds a fraternal sword....
what ever u found in it, I can't speak to...

 

The swords and scabbards that I have are 1860 officers dress and a Calvary dress. The black one was separate from the swords. The post you put up look nothing like the ones I posted. Will get better pics tomorrow.

 

I guess I'm wrong then......

sometimes it's hard to tell without a handle.....

@the blacksmith

 

With better light and less clutter?

 

Ok better pics kinda q

 

The first six of second set is the Calvary Sword that is etched. The remainder are of the I guess its a dress one too. The only marks found on scabbards was the 3 E on Calvary and looks like a 43 on other

 

The two tang ends the Calvary was not threaded

 

So help cause I really don't know for sure if 1860 or what

 

The etching makes it 100% fraternal org

 

It has U S so I thought it would have been military. This is not my line of normal buys.But I am more interested in the makers of them. Are they from the 19th century?

 

Maybe not.

 

Is the word visible in one photo "Germany?"

 

Yes it is

 

That is the straight one. It's polished too but not etched

 

That one also had the threaded tang

 

Ok it is not I repeat not Fraternity sword.
regulation, infantry officer’s edged weapon is in great condition. Crafted from high-grade steel, the blade measures 30½” long, 1” wide, and has a stopped wide fuller 20½” long with an integrated 16¼” long narrow fuller. On the flat of both sides of the blade, starting right above the ricasso, is a beautifully etched design with eye-catching frosting that extends for a length of twenty inches. Reverse of blade exhibits a simple yet distinct, acid-etched frosted design that features letters “US”. Letters are flanked with a panoply of military arms and delicate foliate of leaves and scroll decorations. Blade obverse shows the same design makeup but features a detailed spreadwinged eagle centered in the design flanked with military arms and more foliate

 

It is still difficult to tell which is which, we still haven't seen complete photos of each sword. They are either dark and cluttered or blurred details. We haven't been able to see the shapes of the blades, for instance.

Yet you seem quite adament they are US army. I take it by Calvary you mean cavalry, but have now decided it is infantry?
Anyway:

Presumably the one marked 'Germany' dates from after the unification of the German lands in 1871. Only then was there a nation called Germany.

Since the other one has Fraktur type etched letters, it could also be German, although Fraktur was used elsewhere for decorative lettering as well.

Fraktur script, note the capital A: