Haviland Limoges - Whole Set - What is the Pattern?

Here is a 10 Piece Place setting of Haviland Limoges China. I do not know the pattern or the year of these piece - I am trying to price them out for an estate sale but dont know where to start since I cannot figure out the pattern. I have a 12 place setting of these plus serving pieces

 

We will need to see a close-up of the mark, a side view of the coffee cup, a full view of a dinner plate & a close-up of the pattern.

Haviland Limoges patterns number into the thousands so you have to start with the time frame of the mark, then what blank you have, then you eliminate some because the cup doesn't match & lastly you work on the actual pattern.

 

Like Peggy, I can't see the marks well enough to identify a year but probably very early 1900's. It does look like you have multiple blanks which may indicate a home decorator project. Pieces with a double Haviland mark, though, would indicate factory decoration so it's a bit confusing. Still, it's very well done. I would sell as a set. Whole sets are tough to sell but partial sets are even tougher. Price would depend on how well china sells in your area and how quick you need to sell. Be ready to half price it on the last day of the sale. JMHO.
Don

 

Every thrift store,consignment store,resale store etc,etc, I go into has scads of stuff like this for practically nothing. No one wants formal china anymore,sad to say.

 

Marks pictures: http://www.havilandonline.com/backmark.htm

 

I'm throwing in with Don on hobbyist decorated, because of the way the flowers go over the gold on the edge. It doesn't look right, but that's just my opinion.

 

So pretty! How much are you asking for the set?

 

The multiple blanks isn't necessarily an indication of hobbyist work as Schleiger documented many different decals that were used on different blanks. She keyed on the decal, then added a letter if the same decal was found on a different blank, or in different colors than the first example she encountered.

My first impression on the decoration was possibly hobbiest, but then I noticed the double mark on some but not all piecesm which as Don said indicate that the pieces were decorated at the factory. However, since only some of the pieces have a decorator mark, that leads me to think hobbyist painted is likely.

If hobbyist decorated, one explanation for the double Haviland mark is that the blanks were purchased with gold decor, but no decal, and the factory added the 2nd decorator mark when the gold, was applied